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Old 5th April 2014, 20:40   #101
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But then Carberry was overlooked in the limited overs stuff for an all-rounder with one one-day century ever shunted up to 3, a player who hadn't played a match in that format for 3 years, and a bloke who made less runs in the last two T20 seasons than Carberry did in one, amongst others. That, and England's lack of communication, was what he was complaining about.
I've odi team in oz had cook and bell who replaced carbs. In wi they picked the fifty over team with world t20 in mind. Therefore they picked wright at three who had just had a decent time in oz rather than a slow scorer in odi and tests. Wright failed but there was a reason behind his selection. Bell being called up over the star of last summer's t20 kieswetter was the odd one.
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Old 6th April 2014, 02:08   #102
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I've odi team in oz had cook and bell who replaced carbs. In wi they picked the fifty over team with world t20 in mind. Therefore they picked wright at three who had just had a decent time in oz rather than a slow scorer in odi and tests. Wright failed but there was a reason behind his selection. Bell being called up over the star of last summer's t20 kieswetter was the odd one.
So you don't address any of my points but do manage to trot out your current favourite hobby horse, what else should have I expected...
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:26   #103
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So you don't address any of my points but do manage to trot out your current favourite hobby horse, what else should have I expected...
Didn't I explain why he did not play in oz and why wright played?
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:30   #104
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The selection of Carberry was quite flukeish really, belying any idea that England have well-thought-out selection plans. Cook sat out the first warm up in Australia because of a bad back. Carberry took his place, made 78 and when Cook came back in for the next match Carberry was his opening partner and Root moved down to 6 where he made 58*. Carberry & Cook made undefeated 150s.

Well I thought it was a fluke. But looking at this now, at what point had they made the decision to move Root and bring Carberry in? Root played just one innings as opener and made 36. Not particularly a sacking offence, it was just a warm up match.

I've just looked at the scorecards of the three warm up matches. Remember how they said it was the best prepared tour ever? Cook, Carberry, Trott and Bell all made centuries. Finn had a 5fer, Rankin took a few wickets. The three giant bowlers idea wasn't panning out quite as planned and Tremlett in particular was a disappointment, but the batting looked seemed to be shaping up. Where did it all go wrong?
There was also the issue that England had to play someone at 6. Obviously Ballance was penciled in for that, but after he made 0 and 4 in the first two matches there was a bit of a problem.
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Old 6th April 2014, 13:49   #105
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Didn't I explain why he did not play in oz and why wright played?
Yes, but the three players my post referred to were Stokes, Bell and Moeen Ali. I don't object to Wright batting in the top 3 ahead of Carberry, the other 3 I do.
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Old 6th April 2014, 15:31   #106
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I've posted this on the Exiles forum as well.


According to this article the ECB hopes to appoint the England head coach with the next month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26910016

Well I should bloody well hope so. What is so difficult about picking one person from a very short short list?
Or is it a case of the board thinking that none of the interviewees may measure up?
As and until the head coach appointment is made England will be unable to move forward but the ECB seem incapable of grasping this.
They really are a bunch of tossers.

I had no problem with Pietersen being sacked, in fact I welcomed it. But by agreeing to a period of silence until KP's book is ready for
publication merely loads the odds in his favour when it comes to winning the PR stakes. In the meantime his relatively few mates and
former players with a grudge against the ECB (no shortage of them) can pile on the bile.

Whilst I welcomed the sacking of KP I never for one minute thought that he could be held solely responsible for the dismal events
Down Under and the Summer of Delusion that preceded them. I wanted Cook to be sacked as captain - yet he has been confirmed
in his position in spite of his major contribution to our woes. Flower a.k.a. Mr Teflon, gets a nice little sinecure from which he can
exert plenty of influence and potentionally undermine the new Head Coach. Gooch and Saker and the huge number of background
staff seem to be safe in their roles - for the moment.

So, Clarke, Collier and new boy Downton, get your well paid arses into gear and get things sorted out before Easter, otherwise you
may well find yourselves being crucified by public opinion.
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Old 7th April 2014, 00:27   #107
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Within the next month?! Bleeding hell how inefficient are they, they've already had 9 weeks since Flower resigned. Useless.
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Old 7th April 2014, 09:32   #108
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Actually, a 3 month turnaround perhaps isn't that unusual for appointing someone but it does appear they've taken the approach of "lets fill the vacuum" with this.

It does astonish me that after the worst winter in my memory as an England cricket fan that, so far, only a single player has lost his job officially (and presumably one or two unofficially).

I would not be surprised that, come June, all those involved in the first test (players, senior coaches, management) will have, in one way or another, been a part of the winter.
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The ECB looks after the only team to beat the World T20 winners in the entire tournament.

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Yes, but the three players my post referred to were Stokes, Bell and Moeen Ali. I don't object to Wright batting in the top 3 ahead of Carberry, the other 3 I do.
Moeen is fair enough on Asian pitches due to bowling.

Bell was bizarre.

Stokes the new golden boy.
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Actually, a 3 month turnaround perhaps isn't that unusual for appointing someone but it does appear they've taken the approach of "lets fill the vacuum" with this.
It seemed to take the Aussies about a week with Lehmann! But then I suppose they actually had a decent candidate...

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Moeen is fair enough on Asian pitches due to bowling.

Bell was bizarre.

Stokes the new golden boy.
I'd rather not pick my number three batsman based on his bowling ability. Especially when we're already playing 5 specialist bowlers plus Bopara.

Yeah, they were just trying to shoe-horn Stokes in anywhere it seems.
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It seemed to take the Aussies about a week with Lehmann! But then I suppose they actually had a decent candidate...
We could have appointed Giles immediately but there would have been uproar, so we have to wait until people's anger of the ECB's handling of this winter dissipates into indifference.
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http://sportontap.com/2014/04/04/why...era-is-flawed/

Interesting read.
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Old 7th April 2014, 13:50   #114
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Very good article. England seem to be now employing a sort of pseudo Communist / Catenaccio style to their cricket; certainly in test cricket and the general attitude. That sort of thing works if you are an up and coming team but if you are supposedly one of the world's top teams it starts to look defeatist and negative.
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It seemed to take the Aussies about a week with Lehmann! But then I suppose they actually had a decent candidate...



I'd rather not pick my number three batsman based on his bowling ability. Especially when we're already playing 5 specialist bowlers plus Bopara.

Yeah, they were just trying to shoe-horn Stokes in anywhere it seems.
The Aussies also had a series just around the corner, in fact Arthur got sacked only two days before the first tour match. England have until the 12th of June before they have their first engagement for which they don't have a coach, so about 5 months since the end of the Ashes
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Old 29th April 2014, 13:36   #117
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Current advert on cricinfo:

"It's about sticking by them through thick and thin"
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Current advert on cricinfo:

"It's about sticking by them through thick and thin"
Well there's plenty of thick and thin at the moment!
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Thick wasn't illustrated by a photo of Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
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Thick wasn't illustrated by a photo of Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
I'd say that was a missed opportunity!
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