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View Poll Results: Who would you drop for the foreseeable future?
Moeen Ali 0 0%
Ian Bell 20 76.92%
Alex Hales 0 0%
Joe Root 0 0%
Eoin Morgan 19 73.08%
James Taylor 0 0%
Jos Buttler 1 3.85%
Chris Woakes 2 7.69%
Chris Jordan 5 19.23%
Stuart Broad 14 53.85%
James Anderson 23 88.46%
Steven Finn 10 38.46%
Gary Ballance 8 30.77%
James Tredwell 5 19.23%
Ravi Bopara 13 50.00%
Kevin Pietersen (it's clearly his fault: I heard him whistling) 7354 100.00%
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Old 9th March 2015, 22:18   #21
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Agreed Jimmy will have to go to prolong his test career and the fact that he rarely plays away ODIs hence issue here. Harder to replace though as other bowlers doing badly.

Looking at List A averages from last season's Royal London Cup Adil Rashid was one of the leading wicket takers along with David Payne who is an ex England U-19 Left armed. Anyone seen him?

Who was the last player we plucked from obscurity into international cricket?
Yes I have seen Payne. Not very fast. He is quite good. Needs a Lions tour before the selectors will look at him.
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Old 9th March 2015, 22:19   #22
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Yes. He makes Harry Gurney look quick!

The problem we have with most of our promising left armers is that they are all medium pacers. David Willey gets mentioned by some but he manages 82-83 mph at most. Not quick enough to trouble decent international batsmen. Mar Footitt, on the other hand, is seriously quick. Challenge with him is he is erratic and also the wrong side of 30 I believe.
Tymal Mills is even quicker than Footitt but is similarly erratic.

Reece Topley might not have that pace but is a left-arm yorker specialist.
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Old 9th March 2015, 22:43   #23
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Yes. He makes Harry Gurney look quick!

The problem we have with most of our promising left armers is that they are all medium pacers. David Willey gets mentioned by some but he manages 82-83 mph at most. Not quick enough to trouble decent international batsmen. Mar Footitt, on the other hand, is seriously quick. Challenge with him is he is erratic and also the wrong side of 30 I believe.
I think Footitt is 29 but importantly the fittest he's ever been and quick. I wish we'd given him a go out in Sri Lanka. Hopefully Mills can start well with Sussex and put his name in the hat.
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Old 9th March 2015, 22:44   #24
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Mar Footitt, on the other hand, is seriously quick. Challenge with him is he is erratic and also the wrong side of 30 I believe.
Yes. I was stunned by how rapid he is when I saw him.

The problem with selecting new players though is they must be better or have serious potential to be better than the players they replace.

Footitt has never played international cricket, therefore he has done nothing wrong, so he appeals as a selection.

But suppose Jimmy Anderson had never played international cricket. Then we would probably be saying that his performances in county cricket were sensational and he should be picked.
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Old 9th March 2015, 22:51   #25
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Without a doubt Mark Footitt would go at 10 per over every now and then. He has really bad off days for Derbyshire but he does have the ability to be rapid. Could England work with him? We wish. Players don't improve in this current set up!
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Old 9th March 2015, 23:23   #26
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What I have seen of Footitt doesn't make me think he's as good as Gurney, let alone international class.
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I appear to have culled most of the squad...

Bell and Anderson have let their country down on the big stage time and again but they are arguably amongst the best XI. However, I really think English cricket would be best served if they decided to focus their efforts on test cricket alone.

Bopara has been given plenty of opportunities and yet he has consistently failed to deliver what is required of an international cricketer. I think Engkand should cut their losses with him once and for all.

I would also drop Ballance, Morgan, Woakes, Broad and Finn on account of their poor form. It could be terminal for Morgan and Broad but I'd like to think they could emerge stronger under a better coaching regime.

The time is ripe to give Hales, Roy, Vince, Stokes and Billings opportunities and to move Buttler up to number 5 but the bowling is a massive concern and I'm struggling to think of enough players to even make up the numbers. How has it come to this?
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Old 9th March 2015, 23:42   #28
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I appear to have culled most of the squad...

Bell and Anderson have let their country down on the big stage time and again but they are arguably amongst the best XI. However, I really think English cricket would be best served if they decided to focus their efforts on test cricket alone.

Bopara has been given plenty of opportunities and yet he has consistently failed to deliver what is required of an international cricketer. I think Engkand should cut their losses with him once and for all.

I would also drop Ballance, Morgan, Woakes, Broad and Finn on account of their poor form. It could be terminal for Morgan and Broad but I'd like to think they could emerge stronger under a better coaching regime.

The time is ripe to give Hales, Roy, Vince, Stokes and Billings opportunities and to move Buttler up to number 5 but the bowling is a massive concern and I'm struggling to think of enough players to even make up the numbers. How has it come to this?
Can't find much to argue against here. I think Finn has probably been criticised a bit harshly but only because the two more experienced bowlers have pretty much been even worse. Do I think he's going to improve by being around the England set up more? Not really.
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Only two players should have their names inked into the next ODI side-Buttler and Root.
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Only two players should have their names inked into the next ODI side-Buttler and Root.
I think Ali has shown enough potential to be persisted with, although perhaps not as an opener.
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Disagree, only two players have played anywhere close to standard and that's the two above. The rest should be made to fight for their places.
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Old 10th March 2015, 08:45   #32
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I would rethink the whole approach, not pick Test players for ODIs unless they excel in ODIs which a lot of our players don't really. They are very good (Test) cricketers, capable of playing good innings in any format, but that doesn't mean they should be autopicks for the ODI side and World Cup

As I've probably said elsewhere I'd pick a 25-30 man ODI squad after each World Cup, pick only players in said squad for two years, then revise the squad for the two years leading up to the World Cup.

Why? To avoid sometimes seemingly almost random selections, to get players in the squad cricket to showcase their talents, and for consistency. Ideally they won't be Test players (mainly), and so free to hone their skills and tactical approaches in domestic cricket



So who would I drop? Essentially everyone with a view to not reselecting players like Bell, Morgan, Broad and Anderson, even Bopara. Anderson has had another poor World Cup, picking up his wickets in braces against Scotland and Bangladesh, the lack of wickets from England's bowling is a big problem - even when in a good position against Bangladesh

Ali needs to work on his approach, too often scores quickly and gets out too cheaply. I'd stick with Root and Taylor for now, both have shown promise but I fear Root may be too 'comfy' in selection and not hungry enough to excel, to score quickly, to be England's star rather than better than most of his team mates.

I don't like Woakes, don't rate him much at all, but I'd probably pick him and give him a run see if he can be more consistent. He'll grab a handful of wickets one match, be very ordinary for a few then grab some more, that his average is over 30 despite bagging wickets in 4s and 6s suggests he is too inconsistent, although could fill the #8 or #9 role in the side

I'd consider bringing back KP, if he can score match winning innings then why shun him? Obviously he'd need to be on best behaviour.
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Old 10th March 2015, 10:15   #33
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I'd consider bringing back KP, if he can score match winning innings then why shun him? Obviously he'd need to be on best behaviour.
We don't know that he can though, not any more. And that's not going to change until he plays for a county. Playing in slog fests against a mixture of some decent and some club bowlers doesn't prove anything. (I was very much against his sacking but don't, now, believe you can go back unless he can prove some form and fitness for the longer forms of the game).
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I didn't vote for axing Pietersen, assuming that he wasn't currently in the squad. Morgan, Broad and Finn should go.
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He's England's leading wicket-taker in the tournament!
At this stage of the last Ashes series -- i.e., before the meaningless last match -- Carberry was our leading run-scorer. And he had done a darn sight better than Finn has.
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At this stage of the last Ashes series -- i.e., before the meaningless last match -- Carberry was our leading run-scorer. And he had done a darn sight better than Finn has.
It's still a good thing to say about him.
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It's still a good thing to say about him.
OK, but given how dismal we've been, "once long ago it looked like he might one day be very good" is probably a better one.
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OK, but given how dismal we've been, "once long ago it looked like he might one day be very good" is probably a better one.
That's two good things to say about him.

Things are looking up!
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Disagree, only two players have played anywhere close to standard and that's the two above. The rest should be made to fight for their places.
Root avg 40 SR 84
Ali avg 38 SR 105
Buttler avg 35 SR 135
Bell avg 42 SR 74
Taylor avg 35 SR 95

Please explain why Root and Buttler are anywhere close to standard and the other three, which stats that aren't that far off, are apparently nowhere close to standard.
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I appear to have culled most of the squad...

Bell and Anderson have let their country down on the big stage time and again but they are arguably amongst the best XI. However, I really think English cricket would be best served if they decided to focus their efforts on test cricket alone.

Bopara has been given plenty of opportunities and yet he has consistently failed to deliver what is required of an international cricketer. I think Engkand should cut their losses with him once and for all.

I would also drop Ballance, Morgan, Woakes, Broad and Finn on account of their poor form. It could be terminal for Morgan and Broad but I'd like to think they could emerge stronger under a better coaching regime.

The time is ripe to give Hales, Roy, Vince, Stokes and Billings opportunities and to move Buttler up to number 5 but the bowling is a massive concern and I'm struggling to think of enough players to even make up the numbers. How has it come to this?
Bell has to be kept around for a while, although not necessarily until the next World Cup or even the Champions Trophy. Otherwise you end up with a top 7 where you have Root and Buttler with about 50 ODI each and 5 others with 20 or less. Someone (Chin IIRC) pointed out that players like de Villiers and McCullum has pretty bad starts to their careers and turned out great. Which all fine and dandy but you can't have 2 or 3 players in your team who average 15 for their first 20 matches, you need to win some matches if you want to build a successful team.

Four spots should be enough for players to prove that they are actually better than Bell, which neither of Taylor, Ballance or Hales has done so far. I'd give Taylor, Hales, Ali and A.N. Other an extended run, probably Hales opening and Ali further down the order.
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