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Old 6th May 2015, 12:29   #1
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Where do you think the problems are in the 11

Which areas do people feel are the area's we need to change or improve in the Test 11?

I would say we need at least one positive opening Batsmen to force the pressure on the opening bowlers. I also think we need one of either Jordan or Stokes but not both in the 11. Also we need a spinner in the 11.

Some people will question my 11 but I think we need to move with the times.

Lyth
Hales
Ballance
Bell
Moeen
Root (c)
Buttler
Rashid
Jordan
Anderson
Wood

I think you have a mixture of positive players ( Lyth, Hales, Moeen, Root) mixed with Bell and Balance to keep things ticking. The spin options you have Rashid who yes is unknown at this level but you have Moeen and Root to help out if he is going for runs. I would not play Broad as for me he is very inconsistent and I think he now plays with fear when batting and sometimes this carries into his bowling. Wood needs a run out for me, bowls it both ways so will offer a threat and at decent pace. Jordan is staying in there as I think he could come good given another 12 months.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:41   #2
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I'd be thinking more along the lines of

Cook*
Carberry
Compton
Hales
Bell
Ali
Buttler+
Woakes
Anderson
Panesar
Broad
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:43   #3
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Switch Hales & Ballance, Dexter.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:45   #4
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Not enough quality in the bowling attack and a skipper who just isnt up to it tactically and is far too cautious.

Continued bad decisions from the selectors as well.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:52   #5
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I think Graves needs to look and see that the game is and has changed in all formats. Anderson and Broad will be concerned against bowling at Warner as he gets after you. Can you honestly the majority of Test playing teams fear bowling at Trott/Robson ( before trot retired) and Cook?

I doubt it as they know at worst it would be 85-0 where as the Aussies would be 120-0.
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Old 6th May 2015, 13:17   #6
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I am sure anderson and broad are terrified of bowling at a player who averages 23 in england.

Jordan over broad would be very odd.

Personally I would prefer the england opener to be an opening batsman. The last time we pushed a number 3 to open it did not end well.
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Old 6th May 2015, 13:46   #7
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I'd be thinking more along the lines of

Cook*
Carberry
Compton
Hales
Bell
Ali
Buttler+
Woakes
Anderson
Panesar
Broad
Would Durham be part of an independent Yorkshire or would it be part of Scotland?
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Old 6th May 2015, 14:10   #8
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...Also we need a spinner in the 11. ...
Why do we always need a spinner? Some wickets simply do not justify it.
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Old 6th May 2015, 14:12   #9
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I'd be thinking more along the lines of

Cook*
Carberry
Compton
Hales
Bell
Ali
Buttler+
Woakes
Anderson
Panesar
Broad
In their wildest dreams, I bet the Aussies would too.
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Old 6th May 2015, 14:12   #10
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Most Test wickets now do justify it. If nothing else for balance and control. That said, if your spin options are really poor then perhaps you could suggest you'd be better of without, just like England did.
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Old 6th May 2015, 14:45   #11
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Why do we always need a spinner? Some wickets simply do not justify it.
Captain fined for slow over rate
Some players not good against spin on any wicket
Able to bowl when there is bad light.
Jordan's slip catching would be wasted
Getting rid of tail-enders
Stumpings for Buttler
Waiting for the new ball
Chance for the spinner to develop and improve every Test he plays
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:44   #12
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Captain fined for slow over rate
Some players not good against spin on any wicket
Able to bowl when there is bad light.
Jordan's slip catching would be wasted
Getting rid of tail-enders
Stumpings for Buttler
Waiting for the new ball
Chance for the spinner to develop and improve every Test he plays
All of the above
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Would Durham be part of an independent Yorkshire or would it be part of Scotland?
I'm hedging my bets on that question with that XI. It's possible that if Yorkshire were to break away from the union then the whole kit and caboodle would come crumbling down, as much from lack of morale as anything else. At the very least I'd be viring funds from my Pontefract Cakes budget to spend on Uncle Joe's Mint Balls instead, in order to avoid the import duties. But I don't think Yorkshire would necessarily have to have political independence in order to press for test match status. Your grandson has led the way with his recent comments and pretty soon I think we will see a situation whereby only traitorous vermin leave Yorkshire to go and play for England, and the likes of D/L are rarely to be seen on this forum.
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Old 6th May 2015, 16:57   #14
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I'm hedging my bets on that question with that XI. It's possible that if Yorkshire were to break away from the union then the whole kit and caboodle would come crumbling down, as much from lack of morale as anything else. At the very least I'd be viring funds from my Pontefract Cakes budget to spend on Uncle Joe's Mint Balls instead, in order to avoid the import duties. But I don't think Yorkshire would necessarily have to have political independence in order to press for test match status. Your grandson has led the way with his recent comments and pretty soon I think we will see a situation whereby only traitorous vermin leave Yorkshire to go and play for England, and the likes of D/L are rarely to be seen on this forum.
I'm not sure I share your optimism on that very last point.
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Old 6th May 2015, 17:35   #15
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Any team without Cook and Balance is very strange IMO
I would like to see;

Cook
Lyth
Balance
Bell
Root
Ali
Butler
Woakes
Anderson
Rankin
AN Other (Rashid on a flat pitch, Broad if he gets MoJo back, Plukett if a quick pitch, Stokes if likely to be a seamer dominated low scoring match, etc.)

Not sure who would be captain, but not Root - why burden him with it? Either Cook or Bell.
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Old 6th May 2015, 17:55   #17
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Also, to answer the original question.
The problems are;
- Opening partner for Cook - I would suggest Lyth, but if went back to Robson or even went for Hales I would not be disappointed.
- Lack of a genuine quick bowler - Plunkett is not the answer as too many poor balls and only ever a realistic option in a 5 man attack.
- Is Ali a good enough spinner? I am surprised about his success to date, although I believe him to be a genuine Test class batsman.

Other issues are more positive eg.
- How do we get more out of Butlers batting talent?
- How get Stokes into team?

Main problem is the negativity that seems to be surrounding the team.
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Old 6th May 2015, 18:02   #18
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Also, to answer the original question.
The problems are;
- Opening partner for Cook - I would suggest Lyth, but if went back to Robson or even went for Hales I would not be disappointed.
- Lack of a genuine quick bowler - Plunkett is not the answer as too many poor balls and only ever a realistic option in a 5 man attack.
- Is Ali a good enough spinner? I am surprised about his success to date, although I believe him to be a genuine Test class batsman.

Other issues are more positive eg.
- How do we get more out of Butlers batting talent?
- How get Stokes into team?

Main problem is the negativity that seems to be surrounding the team.
How come negativity surrounding the team is a problem for England, but when people are negative about the opposition it inspires them?
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Forget the XI.

The problems stem from the coach and the deadwood that is slowly leaving the ECB.
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