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Old 9th May 2015, 15:37   #1
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Paul Farbrace

Farbrace is to take charge for New Zealand. Can't see his being a long term appointment but if he does well he could be in for a shout for the job full time.
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Old 9th May 2015, 16:47   #2
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I would imagine he'll get the real gig unless he's done something wrong. Looking at it now in retrospect, it seems plausible to imagine that both Downton and Moores were put in place as short-term measures expected to be jettisoned after absorbing the brunt of the pro-KP firestorm.
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Old 9th May 2015, 16:50   #3
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I'll give him till the first game against NZ, and if he doesn't win I'll get the pitch forks out and start a good old fashioned witch hunt.
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Old 9th May 2015, 19:42   #4
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The thing that would worry me about Farbrace being the permanent coach is he worked with Moores and they would have discussed how to improve things, if Farbrace had the answer, why didn't he bring them up.
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Old 9th May 2015, 20:03   #5
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Sack him.
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Old 9th May 2015, 20:06   #6
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Wouldn't be the first time Moores has been superseded by his deputy would it?
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Old 10th May 2015, 17:31   #7
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I would imagine Farbrace was close to Moores seeing as he was his assistant. Would he want to work for the ECB after seeing how Moores has been treated these past few weeks?
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Old 12th May 2015, 16:29   #8
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In a role where there are limited opportunities of a similar ilk you have little choice. If he wants to be a Head Coach of a (potentially top) Test playing nation this is his best chance. He's never going to get the Aus or ZA jobs. It's why we see the same happen with football managers.
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Almost nobody ever turns down this kind of promotion.
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Old 13th May 2015, 12:09   #10
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In a role where there are limited opportunities of a similar ilk you have little choice. If he wants to be a Head Coach of a (potentially top) Test playing nation this is his best chance. He's never going to get the Aus or ZA jobs. It's why we see the same happen with football managers.
Wasn't he coach of Sri Lanka?
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Old 13th May 2015, 13:12   #11
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Almost nobody ever turns down this kind of promotion.
Farbrace has.

He "sees himself more of an assistant coach going forward"

Personally if I was in his shoes I wouldn't take the job at the moment either.

He may change his mind if his hand is strengthened by

1. Gillespie and Langer ruling themselves out over lack of control over team selection, IPL and/or BigBash commitments the ridiculous fixture congestion their family so that there are no other candidates;
2. some wins as caretaker boss strengthening public support for his appointment; and
3. more restructuring at the ECB so that he isn't just being hired to be the fall guy.
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Farbrace has.

He "sees himself more of an assistant coach going forward"

Personally if I was in his shoes I wouldn't take the job at the moment either.

He may change his mind if his hand is strengthened by

1. Gillespie and Langer ruling themselves out over lack of control over team selection, IPL and/or BigBash commitments the ridiculous fixture congestion their family so that there are no other candidates;
2. some wins as caretaker boss strengthening public support for his appointment; and
3. more restructuring at the ECB so that he isn't just being hired to be the fall guy.
Possibly although it's clear from that that he's not been offered it to turn it down. Plenty of people may see themselves as right hand men rather than bosses but would still take the top job if it were on the table.

Agree with the rest of it though.
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I have no strong views on who should be next coach, but I do think his claims are being too easily dismissed
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It depends on what they want the coach to be. It seems Strauss is going to be treading on the toes of someone who wants a Fletcher/Flower type role. If they want a coach just to work with the players, then I don't see why Farbrace can't be that man.
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It depends on what they want the coach to be. It seems Strauss is going to be treading on the toes of someone who wants a Fletcher/Flower type role. If they want a coach just to work with the players, then I don't see why Farbrace can't be that man.
I would agree with this. Given the recent history with coaches; Fletcher, Moores, Flower, Giles, Moores - did we leave anyone out? - England may not have the usual-model coaching position.

The point is that the England job has become so political that the coach needs to work closely with a strong Director, and perhaps Strauss can become that, once he stops having to clean the Augean stables, to overcome the stifling environment around the team. It may not be a traditional coaches role such as that which Darren Lehman appears to have carved out.

Farbrace may be happy to have the tracksuit responsibilities day-to-day, but play second fiddle to Strauss on some of the more strategic moves and decisions that would normally be within the province of a more established Head Coach.

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I have no strong views on who should be next coach, but I do think his claims are being too easily dismissed
I would be fairly happy if he got the job. Let Strauss do all the media work and Farbrace can get on with coaching the players.
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Old 25th May 2015, 18:57   #17
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Farbrace deserves a fair amount of credit for the first test win against NZ. It looks like Bayliss will get the top job, but it would be nice to see Farbrace remain with England as he could be a leading contender for the job next time around.
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Farbrace deserves a fair amount of credit for the first test win against NZ. It looks like Bayliss will get the top job, but it would be nice to see Farbrace remain with England as he could be a leading contender for the job next time around.
I'm sure he's going to remain as assistant, as they worked together at Sri Lanka.
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Farbrace deserves a fair amount of credit for the first test win against NZ. It looks like Bayliss will get the top job, but it would be nice to see Farbrace remain with England as he could be a leading contender for the job next time around.
Yes, think they will. I don't think Farbrace had much of a say under Moores yet Farbrace has international one day success. I felt that Moores chose the batting order for the World Cup and no one felt secure in their spot.

Farbrace should have taken the team to the WC on his own. There was talk at one time that would happen to give Moores a break.

Once Moores left Farbrace changed the Test batting order and also preferred Wood to Jordan.
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On the balcony we constantly saw Farbrace with a smiling face and never looking at a tablet.
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