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Old 18th October 2010, 00:31   #1
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Gayle sacked

Hoorah!

Cricket's biggest waster and the captaincy seemed strange bedfellows.

Not sure about Sammy. I don't think he's good enough with the bat or ball to command a place in the side, but in this WIndies side that might not be such an issue.

Hopefully this is the beginning of a resurgence in West Indian cricket. God knows the international arena needs a boost with seemingly every team looking weaker than it was a few years ago.

They've got some good youngsters in Barath, Bravo and Roach but I can't help thinking they lack role models/senior players in the side to show them how to succeed.
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Old 18th October 2010, 10:43   #2
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Now that's proper news.
He always seemed a weird captain to me. He might as well quit now and focus on T20s, like everyone does.
I don't know Sammy much though but think Bravo would be good choice too.
Was Sammy the vice-captain of the team before?
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Old 18th October 2010, 11:18   #3
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I see most Windies cricketers opting for lucrative contracts in the IPL. My views.

http://greyblazerr.blogspot.com/2010...st-indies.html
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Old 18th October 2010, 11:56   #4
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Gayle stripped of captaincy and Dwayne Bravo stripped of vice captaincy for not signing retainer contracts. Sammy cant make the team but is from St Lucia like Julian Hunte,President WICB.Not decisions of selectors.

A lot of disagreement in Windies between territorial Boards about the retainers and who should get them.Dinesh Ramdin dropped for Carlton Baugh, a very poor keeper.

This is unlikely to be the beginning of a resurgence of West Indies cricket.Far too much insularity, little local cricket at the right standard,financial problems,no crowds,infighting etc all suggest further to fall.
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Old 18th October 2010, 12:10   #5
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Baugh is worse than Akmal.
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Old 18th October 2010, 13:07   #6
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Gayle stripped of captaincy and Dwayne Bravo stripped of vice captaincy for not signing retainer contracts. Sammy cant make the team but is from St Lucia like Julian Hunte,President WICB.Not decisions of selectors.

A lot of disagreement in Windies between territorial Boards about the retainers and who should get them.Dinesh Ramdin dropped for Carlton Baugh, a very poor keeper.

This is unlikely to be the beginning of a resurgence of West Indies cricket.Far too much insularity, little local cricket at the right standard,financial problems,no crowds,infighting etc all suggest further to fall.
It's very sad isn't it. That team that beat England in the Test series was a half decent side, plus they've added Barath and Roach since then and in Brathwaite and Holder have two of the best players from the Under 19 World Cup. What they need is to bring in Duncan Fletcher and give him free reign to do what he wants, otherwise all this infighting will kill the game over there (if it hasn't already).

Sammy is a decent candidate for captain, but I can't see them improving. I don't think Gayle is as bad as is made out but clearly they couldn't continue with him.
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Old 18th October 2010, 16:29   #7
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Gayle despite being 'a waster', got results as a captain, culminating in the win against England at the start of last year. Things may have gone downhill since, but that seems primarily due to the endless contract disputes. As tc says, this is probably a further lurch into the mire for the Windies, rather than an upturn.
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Old 18th October 2010, 19:29   #8
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Gayle despite being 'a waster', got results as a captain, culminating in the win against England at the start of last year. Things may have gone downhill since, but that seems primarily due to the endless contract disputes. As tc says, this is probably a further lurch into the mire for the Windies, rather than an upturn.
Don't get the thinking behind this sacking either, hard to see any other West Indian player forge a new Caribbean renaissance, and certainly not Sammy. - eight tests, that's all you need these days.
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Old 18th October 2010, 22:29   #9
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Gayle stripped of captaincy and Dwayne Bravo stripped of vice captaincy for not signing retainer contracts. Sammy cant make the team but is from St Lucia like Julian Hunte,President WICB.Not decisions of selectors.

A lot of disagreement in Windies between territorial Boards about the retainers and who should get them.Dinesh Ramdin dropped for Carlton Baugh, a very poor keeper.

This is unlikely to be the beginning of a resurgence of West Indies cricket.Far too much insularity, little local cricket at the right standard,financial problems,no crowds,infighting etc all suggest further to fall.
That explains it.

I was thinking Sammy seemed a bit of a yes man candidate, but maybe he's some sort of captain extraordinaire, afterall there must be some reason he's in the team.

Is Julian Hunte related to Conrad? I'm guessing not as Sammy was first test player from St Lucia.

Ramdin should be a good player, but I can understand him being dropped because he hasn't really done it. What's the other keeper in the party like TC?
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Old 18th October 2010, 22:32   #10
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Gayle despite being 'a waster', got results as a captain, culminating in the win against England at the start of last year. Things may have gone downhill since, but that seems primarily due to the endless contract disputes. As tc says, this is probably a further lurch into the mire for the Windies, rather than an upturn.
Have the endless contract disputes got anything to do with the fact that Gayle is in it for the IPL money and isn't all that fussed about test cricket?
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Ramdin should be a good player, but I can understand him being dropped because he hasn't really done it. What's the other keeper in the party like TC?
Don't know anything about Thomas the reserve wicketkeeper in the squad, but if he's playing second fiddle to Carlton Baugh then I can't imagine him being amazing. I'm surprised they haven't given Chadwick Walton another go after those tests he got to play in against Bangladesh during the player strikes. He didn't bat brilliantly at all but he looked sure behind the stumps. At least with that you can then work on his batting but Baugh is bad keeping wicket and worse with the bat.
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I do agree with HT that Walton is a decent keeper. Ramdin at his worst is still better than Baugh.
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Old 19th October 2010, 13:40   #13
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it's all rather irrelevant really - West Indies cricket is dissolving in front of our eyes and nothing, it would seem, can stop it.
The few remaining world class players have lost all sight of the West Indies as a entity in which they can have any pride and the once ebullient West Indies overseas support has completely evaporated.

Sad. Very, very, sad. Gayle wasn't any captain, but then again, who have they got that is?
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Gayle stripped of captaincy and Dwayne Bravo stripped of vice captaincy for not signing retainer contracts. Sammy cant make the team but is from St Lucia like Julian Hunte,President WICB.Not decisions of selectors.

A lot of disagreement in Windies between territorial Boards about the retainers and who should get them.Dinesh Ramdin dropped for Carlton Baugh, a very poor keeper.

This is unlikely to be the beginning of a resurgence of West Indies cricket.Far too much insularity, little local cricket at the right standard,financial problems,no crowds,infighting etc all suggest further to fall.
How come they have allowed the same muppets to run cricket there. I suppose that they can be pretty much accountable to no-one?
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How come they have allowed the same muppets to run cricket there. I suppose that they can be pretty much accountable to no-one?
Eaxctly...elected by the territorial boards with decisions being very much based on quid pro quo. The territories depend on the WICB for finance.
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Maybe it's time for the islands to finally go it alone in international cricket. Should have happened years ago.
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Maybe it's time for the islands to finally go it alone in international cricket. Should have happened years ago.
possibly the only way that cricket will be saved - Jamaica, T&T and Barbados?
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possibly the only way that cricket will be saved - Jamaica, T&T and Barbados?
Has to be the way forward, should have happened years ago - guess it's the reverse of the international football arena where England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own separate identites.

Not sure what to do about the Leeward Islands though.
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Maybe it's time for the islands to finally go it alone in international cricket. Should have happened years ago.
There's a serious lack of quality picking from all of them; there's simply nowhere near the number of decent players out there to split and still field anything even remotely competitive.
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There's a serious lack of quality picking from all of them; there's simply nowhere near the number of decent players out there to split and still field anything even remotely competitive.
Not having a competitive team doesn't seem to be stopping them at the moment.
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