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Old 27th July 2018, 15:55   #1861
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There is a two-page article by Derek Pringle in this week's Cricket Paper in which he strongly criticises the decision to downgrade the game.

I note the BBC this week referred to it as a "practice match". NO. There is, or should not be, any such thing as a "practice match". There is practice, and there are matches.

It's true that counties do organise pre-season "games" out in the middle, but these are purely to help get players ready, and not designed for public consumption.
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Old 27th July 2018, 16:29   #1862
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Thereís not a breathless hush at Chelmsford tonight
Nothing at stake, no attempt to win
The pitch is fine and soís the light
But with an hour to play who cares whoís in?
And itís not for the sake of a ribboned coat
Or the selfish hope of a seasonís fame
But his captainís hand on his shoulder smote
ďItís alright mate, we all get to go home soon!Ē
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Old 27th July 2018, 16:56   #1863
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Weren't India complaining about being given a green top, which was why they had to shorten the match to 3 days?

Essex's 2nd XI have scored 350+ and declared on this pitch.
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Old 27th July 2018, 17:54   #1864
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Itís the most basic of decent manners that you donít show up for a cricket match at any host club and tell them you want to rearrange the agreed format.
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Old 27th July 2018, 18:10   #1865
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Weren't India complaining about being given a green top, which was why they had to shorten the match to 3 days?

Essex's 2nd XI have scored 350+ and declared on this pitch.
With India 125 ahead at the time of hands being shaken, a fourth day might have yielded some interesting cricket - eg set Essex a stiff target and give Ashwin & Jajeda a good long spell to entice the home batsmen. I doubt absorbing entertainment was on anyone's agenda, though.
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Old 30th July 2018, 20:03   #1866
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Just started reading the biography of Robin Hobbs, which begins with his breathtaking 45-ball hundred against the Australians in 1975. Some of the Aussies slept in the hospitality marquee.

Fast forward to 2018 and the story of cricket and how it was destroyed.
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Old 3rd August 2018, 09:38   #1867
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I finished reading the Robin Hobbs biography.

A very good book which holds your attention throughout the story of his career. One feels transported back to the 60s and 70s.

Not surprisingly, Hobbs considers that bowlers bowl far too little these days. he says he honed his craft on some long winter tours early in his career.

Another interesting point he makes is that he feels that coaches sometimes tend to run out of ideas as time passes, and this is why a club can stall under a coach after a time.

If you don't feel inclined to buy it, don't forget that any library can secure you a copy and authors get paid for loans:

Hobbsy, a life in cricket by Rob Kelly - ISBN-13: 978-0956732170
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Although initially put off by the title, your glowing review means I'll probably acquire a copy of this book by the close of the season. Hopefully, Essex will also have some free Tiptree jam for members around the same time.
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Old 3rd August 2018, 13:08   #1869
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Although initially put off by the title, your glowing review means I'll probably acquire a copy of this book by the close of the season. Hopefully, Essex will also have some free Tiptree jam for members around the same time.
You will definitely enjoy the book. Not only lots of good anecdotes but very candid observations about some players and coaches. He is very honest about who he didn't like.
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Great to see Walter in the side and up the order. About time too. Not sure why he wasn't bowling though.

We're still a batsman too light and that's without considering Lawrence's lack of pedigree in this format.

ps Mascarenhas OUT!
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Great to see Walter in the side and up the order. About time too. Not sure why he wasn't bowling though.

We're still a batsman too light and that's without considering Lawrence's lack of pedigree in this format.


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It's ridiculous. Last night you had Porter, Siddle, Zampa, Walter, Bopara, Harmer and Coles plus tendo and Lawrence. That's 7 front line T20 bowlers plus a couple of reasonable part timers and yet you still have a situation where Harmer is batting at 7! How McGrath can't see that the batting is so light is farcical. Lawrence and Westley injured for tonights loss to Somerset and he still wont pick Zaidi.
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Old 3rd August 2018, 16:14   #1872
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1. Chopra
2. Wheater
3. Walter
4. Bopara
5. Pepper
6. RtD
7. Foster
8. Zaidi
9. Coles
10. Siddle
11. Zampa

With a flexible batting order to maximise match-ups would seem to be a better bet (I don't know much about Pepper's ltd overs game but he can hardly be worse).

Shockingly Chopra is the only Essex player to have a T20 half century this season.
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It's ridiculous. Last night you had Porter, Siddle, Zampa, Walter, Bopara, Harmer and Coles plus tendo and Lawrence. That's 7 front line T20 bowlers plus a couple of reasonable part timers and yet you still have a situation where Harmer is batting at 7! How McGrath can't see that the batting is so light is farcical. Lawrence and Westley injured for tonights loss to Somerset and he still wont pick Zaidi.
As a Kent fan I can't say I was sorry to see the unbalanced nature of the Essex side - definitely a batsman or two light.

But, having never seen him before, I was impressed with Walter as a batsman. (& fielder). Might be one for the future.
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As a Kent fan I can't say I was sorry to see the unbalanced nature of the Essex side - definitely a batsman or two light.

But, having never seen him before, I was impressed with Walter as a batsman. (& fielder). Might be one for the future.
And he's a better bowler than batsman!
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And he's a better bowler than batsman!
But wasn't needed/used yesterday...strange.
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See Walter's included in the Essex 2s team at Arundel along with three other members of the first team from T20 match v Glamorgan of 2 days ago. They must be pretty desperate to win a trophy.

http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#sb8f88ee...3-0c9a499e8054

Whilst this would often happen in second eleven games, for a final it must rank up there in the pot hunters league.

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See Walter's included in the Essex 2s team at Arundel along with three other members of the first team from T20 match v Glamorgan of 2 days ago. They must be pretty desperate to win a trophy.

http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#sb8f88ee...3-0c9a499e8054

Whilst this would often happen in second eleven games, for a final it must rank up there in the pot hunters league.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

Had Essex's 1st XI been performing, none of these players would have been playing v Glamorgan. These are the players who have been playing in the 2nd XI all season and got the 2nds to the final. It's fair enough to then let them try and finish the job. If Essex were trophy hunting, then I'm sure someone like James Foster would have been parachuted in along with Porter and the fit again Lawrence with the justification that none of them played v Glamorgan.

The ones who are playing today weren't in the Essex 1st XI until under a week ago, when Michael Pepper made his debut. Paul Walter was also recalled that match - as a batsman - but he was someone who was on an England fast bowling programme this winter and has so far bowled one over in the Blast this year - he needs the bowling and hopefully this performance will convince Essex to use his bowling in T20. Zaidi was only recalled 4 days ago and had been languishing in the 2nds prior to Sunday. I think Sam Cook is the other one: he's bowled 15 overs in 1st team T20 in his career.
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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

Had Essex's 1st XI been performing, none of these players would have been playing v Glamorgan. These are the players who have been playing in the 2nd XI all season and got the 2nds to the final. It's fair enough to then let them try and finish the job. If Essex were trophy hunting, then I'm sure someone like James Foster would have been parachuted in along with Porter and the fit again Lawrence with the justification that none of them played v Glamorgan.

The ones who are playing today weren't in the Essex 1st XI until under a week ago, when Michael Pepper made his debut. Paul Walter was also recalled that match - as a batsman - but he was someone who was on an England fast bowling programme this winter and has so far bowled one over in the Blast this year - he needs the bowling and hopefully this performance will convince Essex to use his bowling in T20. Zaidi was only recalled 4 days ago and had been languishing in the 2nds prior to Sunday. I think Sam Cook is the other one: he's bowled 15 overs in 1st team T20 in his career.
much the same a few years back with Grant Flower playing for the seconds.

Still weird result: Lancs 66/9 from 9 overs Essex could only muster 41/7

Lancs played 6 non contracted players and two on the staff but who may never play for the first team. Could have played Parry (even Chanderpaul) on the basis you describe, both played plenty of seconds games this year - neither at Headingley.

I think there may be a limit of capped players, should be anyway.
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much the same a few years back with Grant Flower playing for the seconds.

Still weird result: Lancs 66/9 from 9 overs Essex could only muster 41/7

Lancs played 6 non contracted players and two on the staff but who may never play for the first team. Could have played Parry (even Chanderpaul) on the basis you describe, both played plenty of seconds games this year - neither at Headingley.

I think there may be a limit of capped players, should be anyway.
Iím imagining conditions werenít great.

Maybe you arenít allowed to field capped players. None of Essexís XI were capped at any rate. I think the competition would have been enhanced by having a player of Chanderpaulís calibre though.
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Iím imagining conditions werenít great.

Maybe you arenít allowed to field capped players. None of Essexís XI were capped at any rate. I think the competition would have been enhanced by having a player of Chanderpaulís calibre though.
Hameed played he's capped.

Wonder what would happen in the Blast in similar conditions?

Could fit in 2 x 5 semis and a final of say 10 overs each. Do they go with that or use the reserve day? Theoretically in those circumstances an alternative would be to play semis of 10 overs each and play the final the following day. Suspect they would go with the former with the crowd in place. But certainly the Durham / Essex 5 over game was no contest even if the Lancs /Glos 5 over game was close.
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