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Old 5th August 2014, 11:56   #1
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The Moeen Ali-Saviour of Multicultural Britain-Thread

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...ralism-britain

Here's me just thinking he's a sub-bog standard county spinner and a flashy but inconsistent batsman whose role is to be a stop gap until they find someone better.
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Old 5th August 2014, 12:15   #2
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He is a good test standard player that was marooned in Division Two where players are not picked because of that bias towards div one. Monty P started out as fast bowler and Swann started out as a batsmen. People can learn new skills if given the chance at the top level.
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Old 5th August 2014, 12:24   #3
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And who knows: the publicity surrounding Moeen's wrist band message could have had more influence than we knew, e.g. Baroness Warsi's resignation today, stating that the government's policy on the crisis in Gaza is "morally indefensible".
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Old 5th August 2014, 14:55   #4
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...ralism-britain

Here's me just thinking he's a sub-bog standard county spinner and a flashy but inconsistent batsman whose role is to be a stop gap until they find someone better.
I hadn't thought of Moeen in such terms up to now, but if his presence in the team helps build bridges between people or undefine certain stereotypes, then that would be a most welcome side benefit of his success. Let's hope it is onwards and upwards for Moeen, so there is no fall-out were he to be dropped.
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Old 5th August 2014, 15:13   #5
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I hadn't thought of Moeen in such terms up to now, but if his presence in the team helps build bridges between people or undefine certain stereotypes, then that would be a most welcome side benefit of his success. Let's hope it is onwards and upwards for Moeen, so there is no fall-out were he to be dropped.
My fear is that other's hopes or political agendas shouldn't be projected onto a young cricketer without any clear evidence that he is willing to take on that particular mantle. He is only five tests into his career and despite his recent success, his position must surely be a long way from being secure.
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Old 5th August 2014, 16:28   #6
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Ugh - Iain Salisbury never got this baggage dumped on him.
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Old 6th August 2014, 00:07   #7
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His debut test century was picture perfect, he should concentrate on that and forget about bowling.
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Old 13th November 2014, 10:05   #8
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What is multiculturalism anyway? Is it separate cultures living apart or is it people embodying aspects of more than one way of life?

Until we know, any debate surrounding it will be muddled. The "New Statesman" seems not to know what it is either.
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What is multiculturalism anyway? Is it separate cultures living apart or is it people embodying aspects of more than one way of life?

Until we know, any debate surrounding it will be muddled. The "New Statesman" seems not to know what it is either.
I would say it's an inevitability in any society with a population greater than 1.
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Well, he's certainly looking the most valuable player in our squad in Sri Lanka.
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What is multiculturalism anyway? Is it separate cultures living apart or is it people embodying aspects of more than one way of life?

Until we know, any debate surrounding it will be muddled. The "New Statesman" seems not to know what it is either.
a made up construction of society, same as individual race. biggest load of nonsense created, along with "democracy" and religion.

i was a nationalist once upon a time, when i was young and dumb, not a racist kind, i just felt it duty to risk my life for queen and country, believe in 'britishness' etc. realised as i grew wiser what a load of tosh it really is, getting carried away about a bit of land with hypothetical borders created by rich men whilst perpetuating the divide to give us serfs something to fight amongst each other about. divide the enemy, right...
i lost good friends fighting for such warped human perspectives.

outlining ali's nationality positively or negatively seems illogical to me.
he's a human, born in england, representing england, 'saviour of multicuralism' deary me, rather a 'symbol of divide' if we're looking at it based on race.
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Multiculturalism is just a buzzword for impending anarchy.
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Old 29th November 2014, 14:25   #13
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Can't knock the lad, there's something very impressive about him, and he's making my initial judgements on him look a tad foolish (although i still think he'll frustrate many who watch him)
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His debut test century was picture perfect, he should concentrate on that and forget about bowling.
ah..very Leeds like comment.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32490090

Clearly not been checking the stats
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Does anyone think that Moeen will keep his place for New Zealand? I would like to see him remain in the side but as a batsman rather than playing as a front line spinner. Another spinner in the team could take some pressure off him and bring out the best in his bowling.

Also, if he focuses on batting I think he could turn out to be a very classy Test batsman.
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Does anyone think that Moeen will keep his place for New Zealand? I would like to see him remain in the side but as a batsman rather than playing as a front line spinner. Another spinner in the team could take some pressure off him and bring out the best in his bowling.

Also, if he focuses on batting I think he could turn out to be a very classy Test batsman.
He's not done well enough to keep a place as a 6th batman per se but nor has he been so bad that I think they'll drop him given his utility with the ball, especially with NZ coming up so soon in a two test series where early season pitches are more likely to reward seam than spin. Even if you think he's a part timer (and he's better than that at least), four seamers (the fourth probably still Stokes so keeping the batting packed) and Ali / Root appeals more than an alternative batsman to Ali and either a specialist spinner with only three seamers or the same four seamers but only Root as a spinning option. Funnily enough, the side picked to play WI once Ali was fit looks a fairly good choice at home. Bringing him back to play WI one county game back from injury and without much bowling under his belt did neither him nor England any favours, however.
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He's not a test quality spinner. Needs dropped.
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He's not a test quality spinner. Needs dropped.
Simple, some would say simplistic view. Name the spin bowler who will make England a better side in the first test against NZ.
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There may be no need for a spinner at all, especially on our wickets in May.
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