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Old 9th January 2018, 06:50   #261
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It looks like Root has a bit of a problem going on with it against good fast bowling also, compared to Kohli and Williamson. Certainly a comparatively poor record in Aus, which relies mostly on pace attacks. 16 innings, 6 x 50's no centuries and a 38 ave. with a couple of not outs bumping that up. A bit of a weakness.
Shhh, don't spoil their daydream that Root is the best batsman in the world, and making pretty little 50s yet nothing of match shaping substance is just nice and fine, with reality and facts.
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Old 9th January 2018, 18:41   #262
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Shhh, don't spoil their daydream that Root is the best batsman in the world, and making pretty little 50s yet nothing of match shaping substance is just nice and fine, with reality and facts.
Who's saying that?

I was actually surprised by Root's record.

Since making his debut (in 2012), he's made a score of at least 180 every year. He's obviously capable of scoring big, so it'll be a case of just doing it more often - in particular away from home where his average is good (he avearges 50+ in both SA and India), but he needs to increase the number of match defining innings.

He's just turned 27 and should be approaching his prime (at 27 Smith had 14 centuries to Root's 13). The question will be whether he too can step up like Smith and go on a tear and double the number of test tons over the next two years. Historically the odds are against him.
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Old 9th January 2018, 19:15   #263
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He's just turned 27 and should be approaching his prime (at 27 Smith had 14 centuries to Root's 13).
A bit misleading citing this statistic without providing the full context.

Yes, when Smith turned 27 he had 14 centuries, only one more than Root's 13.

But when he turned 27, he'd also played a mere 75 innings, whereas Root had already racked up 117. In other words, at 27, Smith was scoring a century every 5.4 innings. At 27, Root was scoring a century every 9 innings.

That doesn't necessarily negate the gist of your argument though - and your conclusion, that it is extremely unlikely to happen, sounds about right too.
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Old 13th January 2018, 14:40   #264
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Amla and Makram at it for South Africa today
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Amla and Makram at it for South Africa today
Not Amla's fault as he was run out by duPlessis.
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Old 14th January 2018, 08:09   #266
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Jason Roy has a fair chance of adding to his tally today.
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Jason Roy has a fair chance of adding to his tally today.
Was just looking at his record trying to remember if he had turned a corner, but looks more like stuck on a roundabout.

He scored his last ODI hundred in his 24th innings (out of 48), but this is his third consecutive fifty which follows on from scores of 17, 0, 20, 1, 8, 4, 1, 13, and 4.

Seems like he likes the aussies though, his previous two knocks against them were 4 and 4, but he has two thirties and two sixties in his other innings against them, and only his 31 off 32 balls missed out being at an SR of 100+ against them.
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Not Amla's fault as he was run out by duPlessis.
Meh.

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Nope. Root on the other hand unlikely to convert.
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Nope. Root on the other hand unlikely to convert.
Simon Wilde has done a piece apparently, essentially about Alastair Cook and pointing out his lack of overall tons since July 2013 and that the only time he has scored tons is on shirt fronts. He then goes on about the stream of criticism that Root has got for not converting since the UAE series. All I can say is that they are far too late to the party. This thread will be one year old on Saturday!
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Although he's been away from test cricket for a couple of years and his 80 may well help SA get a decisive lead now....................
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Although he's been away from test cricket for a couple of years and his 80 may well help SA get a decisive lead now....................
Perhaps South Africa have a specific batting target for unconverted 50s?
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Although he's been away from test cricket for a couple of years and his 80 may well help SA get a decisive lead now....................
And looks like South Africa will win the match despite India having the centurion. Perhaps Jock can explain.
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On a tricky Wanderers pitch, only two players thus far have scored above 50. It is highly debatable that a contribution from Pujara, having only opened his account after facing circa 50 balls can count, but a relatively rare unconverted effort from Virat Kohli surely can.
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Afghanistan u19s won their qf this morning. Their first innings score of 309/6 included contributions of 66, 67, 68 and 69. Nice.
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I’m surprised you haven’t got there first to mention Root’s 62 in today’s game Ali!

Edit: With Joe Root's tour of Australia now over, it should be pointed out that in tour matches, tests and ODIs combined Root totalled 10 unconverted fifties overall.
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Tamim Iqbal must deserve a mention on this thread now with his 25th unconverted test 50 to just 8 centuries.

It's a bit of a common concern for the Bangladeshis. Monimul 12/4, Mushfiqur 18/5 and Mahmadullah 14/1, while for the injured Shakib it's 22/5.
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A not so pretty fifty was reached in the ashes series and I can’t cal it little as it relates to a bowling average. In this case Moeen’s away bowling average in tests. Best to confiscate his passport for future test series.
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A not so pretty fifty was reached in the ashes series and I canít cal it little as it relates to a bowling average. In this case Moeenís away bowling average in tests. Best to confiscate his passport for future test series.
It seems to be a price England are willing to pay for a "can bat and can bowl" player.

Problem is he's neither a frontline batsman nor a frontline spinner, if England were overflowing with frontline batsmen he might be more likely to be left out, or if they'd dig around for a Swann MKII, but otherwise he's not the worst England have got (deliberately rewording not to say "best" as that would be less accurate)

Tests : 32 and 40 (38 and 33 at home, 27 and 48 away)
ODIs : 28 and 50 (46 and 56 at home, 23 and 47 away)
T20Is : 14 and 28 (13 and 55 at home, 14 and 26 away)

Averages rounded down as I couldn't be bothered to put in to 2dp, and it's only for rough guidance before SVAG or someone gets knotted knickers through twisting. Good enough to have a Test or ODI bowler averaging 40 and 50 respectively? Batting depends on whether you're considering him a batsman, all-rounder or bowler, the latter two of which surely require a better average with the ball.

T20Is, well yes I think the case for inclusion is clearer but could have a lot better home record. You'd want an average of a wicket per T20I I would have thought, spinners tending to be more effective in that format, but I appreciate some cling to the economy theory for a lot of formats
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I am surprised no one has had the time to update yet another Joe Root entry onto this thread with a 71 and Rob Key was mentioning how infuriated he would be with his conversion issues. Jason Roy on the other hand is trying to avoid them by scoring 49. This follows a 49 in the ODI at Perth in the last match of the Australia one day series.
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