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Old 14th December 2012, 08:52   #1041
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See above post..... and yet Samit gets the chop..... fascinating.
That's Samit, test average 15, Patel, right? Not going to defend Bell too far but what sort of a case has Patel made to be a better choice?
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Old 14th December 2012, 11:49   #1042
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There are some interesting pre-series comments on this thread; I think my favourite is 'to play Swann & Monty together would be suicide'. (Sorry, Beefy).

Root already looks more of a Test batsman than Samit ever has so that particular argument is a non-starter at the moment. And as Fatslogger says above, Bell has a bit more in his locker from past times to justify keeping his place.

Having said that, I'd have dropped both Bell & Patel for this Test. I have no idea what's going on between Bell's ears at the moment, don't know whether it's a mental block related to playing on the Subcontinent against spinners but he looks like a walking wicket. Advocating bringing in Bairstow as well as Root is in no way connected to my support for Yorkshire CCC.
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Old 14th December 2012, 11:54   #1043
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That's Samit, test average 15, Patel, right? Not going to defend Bell too far but what sort of a case has Patel made to be a better choice?
I don't know.
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Old 14th December 2012, 11:56   #1044
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There are some interesting pre-series comments on this thread; I think my favourite is 'to play Swann & Monty together would be suicide'. (Sorry, Beefy).

Root already looks more of a Test batsman than Samit ever has so that particular argument is a non-starter at the moment. And as Fatslogger says above, Bell has a bit more in his locker from past times to justify keeping his place.

Having said that, I'd have dropped both Bell & Patel for this Test. I have no idea what's going on between Bell's ears at the moment, don't know whether it's a mental block related to playing on the Subcontinent against spinners but he looks like a walking wicket. Advocating bringing in Bairstow as well as Root is in no way connected to my support for Yorkshire CCC.
Panesar sucked in the SC prior to this tour though he's obviously more than helped himself. JB looked really awkward in Mumbai, when he could have got out to a daft hook shot and was really nervy against the spinners although he should have been given not out due to the ball having hit the fielder's helmet before rebounding. He may get a chance in NZ. That said I wonder if a change to make is Root up to opener (his natural position), Compton down to 5 and Bell down to 6 where he's normally batted best in tests?
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Old 14th December 2012, 12:08   #1045
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"But they were over-reliant on Chris Read, their impressive captain, wicketkeeper and batsman, to bail them out countless occasions from number seven."

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... I wonder if a change to make is Root up to opener (his natural position), Compton down to 5 and Bell down to 6 where he's normally batted best in tests?
This is a bit off topic here, but I wouldn't mess with what we've got now, unless it is to drop Bell for Bairstow or Taylor. Neither Compton nor Root look as if they're in an inappropriate batting position, and I would like to see Compton against the new ball on some different kinds of wickets. I think the Bell at 5 and 6 statistic is probably as much of a red herring as the Bell on the subcontinent (as long as it's not Bangladesh) statistic -- more likely, Bell has gone through large fluctuations in form for reasons unconnected to where he's been on the planet or in the batting order. I don't expect him suddenly to improve by moving from India to NZ.
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This is a bit off topic here, but I wouldn't mess with what we've got now, unless it is to drop Bell for Bairstow or Taylor. Neither Compton nor Root look as if they're in an inappropriate batting position, and I would like to see Compton against the new ball on some different kinds of wickets. I think the Bell at 5 and 6 statistic is probably as much of a red herring as the Bell on the subcontinent (as long as it's not Bangladesh) statistic -- more likely, Bell has gone through large fluctuations in form for reasons unconnected to where he's been on the planet or in the batting order. I don't expect him suddenly to improve by moving from India to NZ.
Staying off the Samit topic Bell's stats at 5 and 6 and his home form especially are hardly unconnected to where he is on the planet given that he averages over 54 at home. He also did decently in NZ last time out.

That said an alternative way of looking at it was that he was a fairly ordinary test player up until the South Africa away tour and he had two golden years. Maybe 2012 was him returning to his norm, which from 2004-2009 never impressed me much.
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i think all this is tangentially related to the Samit topic - in that with all these options it's difficult to see him playing another Test match. Like, ever. Sorry, big lad. Still an important part of the limited overs set-up though, particularly the 50-over game (unless Root develops his bowling - he's a handy limited overs batsman already so could potentially be the 'batsman who bowls 5-6 overs of useful spin'.)

Kudos to Pet for getting the Chris Read reference in.
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So..errr...does anyone know much about this Samit Patel who has been called up into the England test squad? Last Samit Patel I heard of was apparently a fat, useless disgrace to cricket and should be dropped by his County and not even deserving of playing in the Minor leagues? I assume this is a different Samit Patel?
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So..errr...does anyone know much about this Samit Patel who has been called up into the England test squad? Last Samit Patel I heard of was apparently a fat, useless disgrace to cricket and should be dropped by his County and not even deserving of playing in the Minor leagues? I assume this is a different Samit Patel?
No he seemed like the same waste of a plane seat (or two) to me. I have no idea what they are doing taking him along to South Africa.
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No he seemed like the same waste of a plane seat (or two) to me. I have no idea what they are doing taking him along to South Africa.
Wow, the same one eh? I probably won't even recognise him with his new ultra svelte physique
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According to cricinfo, Super Sam is on the field. Is it drinks?
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Fat Sam did indeed field for a bit today, as did Woakes. I assume Chris Jordan has a bug or something?
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"But they were over-reliant on Chris Read, their impressive captain, wicketkeeper and batsman, to bail them out countless occasions from number seven."

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And one last time...
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