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Old 20th January 2018, 09:52   #201
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2-0, Morgan shows Root how to do the job.
As the job is mostly about media relations, how exactly has he done this?
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Old 20th January 2018, 09:57   #202
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As the job is mostly about media relations, how exactly has he done this?
Media relations often easier if you are winning
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:11   #203
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Wasn't Morgan also the captain when we were crap? This suggests it was the change of coach that made the biggest difference.
I think he only had one crap series then booted the selectors in the haw maws and got the team he wanted.

Root’s contribution to the test team selection seems to be banishing Rashid, abandoning Stokes, picking Ballance and batting Moeen 4 places too high.
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:25   #204
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Media relations often easier if you are winning
Indeed, so we are not really comparing like with like and Morgan may be considered fortunate to be supported by players more competent in their particular discipline than is Root.
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:25   #205
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I think he only had one crap series then booted the selectors in the haw maws and got the team he wanted.

Rootís contribution to the test team selection seems to be banishing Rashid, abandoning Stokes, picking Ballance and batting Moeen 4 places too high.
Picking Ballance?
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:37   #206
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Whilst I do believe there is more scope for the captain to influence the outcome of an ODI as opposed to a Test, it is also possible that how the players performed played the bigger part in this 2-0 lead.

1st ODI, Roy scores 180 off 151 balls chasing a decent but not difficult target to achieve, facing a fairly lacking bowling attack. Before the partnership of 221 between Roy and Root there was little in it.

2nd ODI, aussies came up short of a truly competitive total as the aussies stumbled around the 200 mark losing 3 wickets for 7 runs. England again facing a not very strong aussie bowling attack made quick progress, it looked closer than it was because England lost wickets at reasonably regular intervals.


I'm sure there's some stunning examples of captaincy from Morgan that are earning him a cape to go with the captaincy, fact is England have batted and bowled better. Be interesting to see what happens if England have or choose to bat first, in fact if I were Morgan I'd looking for a chance to at 2-0 up because they need to show their mettle batting 1st and 2nd ahead of any challenge for the World Cup they may be hoping to make, although bilateral series are not best preparation for a World Cup IMO, beating an opponent you gain familiarity with during Test and then ODI series is a far cry from playing a different side pretty much every game - certainly wouldn't play the same side two games in a row.
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Old 20th January 2018, 10:38   #207
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As the job is mostly about media relations, how exactly has he done this?
Well Morgan won and Root didn't, duh..........! ( )
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Wasn't Morgan also the captain when we were crap? This suggests it was the change of coach that made the biggest difference.
I think that to the extent that it's about the coach it's not because of what he's done but because of what he represents. He's all about white-ball cricket and relatively clueless about test cricket, and thus he represents the profound change of emphasis at the ECB. The ECB seem to be constitutionally unable to service several different forms of cricket at once; it's either all about test cricket or all about ODI cricket. In the old days, when the attempt was being made to have a decent England test team, we accordingly had people like Cook and Bell and Trott in the ODI side, and we only ever stood much chance of winning an ODI if the oppo failed. Nowadays Root is the only hangover from our old-style ODI teams, and we don't give much of a toss about test cricket (except the games that we'll probably win anyway). To what degree Morgan is responsible for the ECB's change of emphasis (and thus indirectly for our hapless test side) I wouldn't like to say.
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Are you sure? That doesn't sound like the sort of language Mike Brearley would use.
I was hampered by the swear filter here.

He probably would have used more colourful language than me.
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Well Morgan won and Root didn't, duh..........! ( )
Perhaps there is a little misunderstanding of what has gone before here.
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Woakes is a brilliant cricketer. A product of county cricket. Well done chaps. This is as one sided as the ashes. COPY THE BIG BASH NOW.
I agree with you fully there. Don't think he was truly fit for the Ashes though and England have paid the price. Before the rib injury he was zipping the ball down c. 90 mph/145 kph. Rib injuries are the bane of front row forwards and quick bowlers. I speak from experience here although I was neither. It is not a question of the physical healing, it is a question of the mental aspect. It takes a long time before you trust your body fully.
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I agree with you fully there. Don't think he was truly fit for the Ashes though and England have paid the price. Before the rib injury he was zipping the ball down c. 90 mph/145 kph. Rib injuries are the bane of front row forwards and quick bowlers. I speak from experience here although I was neither. It is not a question of the physical healing, it is a question of the mental aspect. It takes a long time before you trust your body fully.
That sort of useful insight is wasted on here!
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Picking Ballance?
Root pushed for Ballance to be in the Ashes squad.
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Root pushed for Ballance to be in the Ashes squad.
Rightly so. He should have been given his proper position of 5. Malan at 3, Vince, Roy, Hales, Stoneman (whomsoever) opening would have been my choice. Ballance gets runs at 5.
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That sort of useful insight is wasted on here!
Quite. Plunkett and Wood should have played. That's not hindsight. They both had been injured as well. Rashid should have played before Crane. However let's not hark back to past horrors.

Let's get on with crushing Australia 5-0 in the ODI series.
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I am a far greater fan of the 5 day game but even so, I think England are miles ahead of Aus in the 50 over stuff. We'll wait to see what happens in T20. It will be great to see what happens if Eng have to set/defend a score, rather than chase. Same side for Eng methinks, but Aus must surely make changes. Why play M. Marsh if you are not going to bowl him ffs. Oz must surely be asking questions of their selectors/team strategy here.
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all the players say what an influence Morgan's been in England's one day resurgence. Now they just have to learn to win the important one off games.
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Rightly so. He should have been given his proper position of 5. Malan at 3, Vince, Roy, Hales, Stoneman (whomsoever) opening would have been my choice. Ballance gets runs at 5.
Suggests Root is weak then if he canít get him in the team at the right position.
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Has there just been a 2 page discussion on how little captaincy matters in modern cricket? Did someone read an article in The Sun or something?

Captaincy in cricket is still massively important and crucial to a game. It is miles removed from football where the guy just gives a press conference and thats it.

Captains still decide on fields, bowling changes and how to go about selecting the best possible side. Yes there is a lot to do with pre-match tactics based on stats etc but that has to change on the fly and the best ODI captains (mac was great in this regard for NZ) improvise on the field. We have seen that with MOrgan, time and time again.

he is a terrific captain and someone who knows exactly where he wants to take this side. To belittle is captaincy because you may not like him or prefer Root or some rubbish, is to belittle a very good leader. Root can learn a lot from that type of captaincy, and hopefully learn to include Rashid and Plunkett.
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Has there just been a 2 page discussion on how little captaincy matters in modern cricket? Did someone read an article in The Sun or something?

Captaincy in cricket is still massively important and crucial to a game. It is miles removed from football where the guy just gives a press conference and thats it.

Captains still decide on fields, bowling changes and how to go about selecting the best possible side. Yes there is a lot to do with pre-match tactics based on stats etc but that has to change on the fly and the best ODI captains (mac was great in this regard for NZ) improvise on the field. We have seen that with MOrgan, time and time again.

he is a terrific captain and someone who knows exactly where he wants to take this side. To belittle is captaincy because you may not like him or prefer Root or some rubbish, is to belittle a very good leader. Root can learn a lot from that type of captaincy, and hopefully learn to include Rashid and Plunkett.
Morgan is a good captain and was certainly better than Cook was for the Test team but I don't think he's anything more than that, I don't really see much improvisation from Morgan almost everything he does is 'by the numbers'.
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