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Old 17th March 2018, 02:52   #301
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Can't agree there - someone being deliberately offensive to gain an advantage is in no position to complain if the response touches a raw nerve - regardless of personal circumstance.
Agree with this view. Otherwise whoever has some protected sensitive area in their life can sledge with impunity.

It was always claimed that Sarwan was unaware of the health issues surrounding Jane McGrath anyway.

Once you decide to use sledging as a tactic, you can't claim the moral high ground or some mythical line that can't be crossed when someone turns the tables on you.

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Old 17th March 2018, 11:09   #302
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Agree with this view. Otherwise whoever has some protected sensitive area in their life can sledge with impunity.

It was always claimed that Sarwan was unaware of the health issues surrounding Jane McGrath anyway.

Once you decide to use sledging as a tactic, you can't claim the moral high ground or some mythical line that can't be crossed when someone turns the tables on you.
Sounds like complete rubbish to me, one player says "You're a bit rubbish at this batting lark" and similar for 30 mins, batsman turns around and says to someone who's kid who's dying, "I hope your kid has a painful last month". If that happened you'd be ok with what the batsman said and the bowler/fielder just brought it on himself?

That's completely dis-similar to the Warner/De Kock scenario but not far off the McGrath situation (although as you said Sarwan apparently didn't know) or Cairns for that matter.
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Old 17th March 2018, 11:19   #303
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Sounds like complete rubbish to me, one player says "You're a bit rubbish at this batting lark" and similar for 30 mins, batsman turns around and says to someone who's kid who's dying, "I hope your kid has a painful last month". If that happened you'd be ok with what the batsman said and the bowler/fielder just brought it on himself?

That's completely dis-similar to the Warner/De Kock scenario but not far off the McGrath situation (although as you said Sarwan apparently didn't know) or Cairns for that matter.
But it's not "your batting is terribly poor today, good sir" is it? It's a persistent use of verbal attacks, some quite foul-mouthed and unpleasant. If you have buttons that can be pressed, think twice before you dish it out.
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Old 17th March 2018, 11:24   #304
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Sounds like complete rubbish to me, one player says "You're a bit rubbish at this batting lark" and similar for 30 mins, batsman turns around and says to someone who's kid who's dying, "I hope your kid has a painful last month". If that happened you'd be ok with what the batsman said and the bowler/fielder just brought it on himself?

That's completely dis-similar to the Warner/De Kock scenario but not far off the McGrath situation (although as you said Sarwan apparently didn't know) or Cairns for that matter.
I was going to say similar, but if you start getting personal like McGrath did I think the gloves are well and truly off.
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Old 17th March 2018, 14:54   #305
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This is quite brilliant. It seems big Vern thought he would send a tweet blaming Smith for Rabada's stand over routine. He removed it of course, apologising that his account had been hacked. Of course it was Vern, of course it was...lol.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/vern...1D53248E1.ashx
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Old 17th March 2018, 15:08   #306
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A shame our little opener didn't get a suspension over his sook attack. Our team would be better off. The rest of them haven't been too bad at all.

Conversely for the Saffers. We have little Quenny engaging Warner in a sleding duel before plumbing the depths by getting at him via his wife. Officials falling over themselves to release the footage. Officials then having a laugh posing with fans wearing SBW masks. A numbskull bowler basically saying he was sorry for repeating his mistakes and letting his team down...but deciding to challenge the decision anyway (apparently they are going to blame Smith lol). Now Vern tweeting nonsense that should earn him a little please explain to the ICC, then claiming a hacked account...Is South Africa on a different planet lol?
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Old 17th March 2018, 15:38   #307
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While Rabada seems to have all of the nous of your average sh-t collectors horse, something else stands out a bit. I notice the only people he has tried to physically stand over and intimidate, are not really very imposing figures, to say the least.

I was waiting for the big scream right in the face routine when he bowled M Marsh (who has probably been our best batsman) with a beauty. Yet it didn't look like he even wanted to make eye contact. While Marsh is generally docile, he is built like a large brick outhouse and did seem to be waiting for Rabada's nonsense, looking rather disdainfully at him with a polite "fek off c#%@" as he trudged off.

It might be that he is simply targeting our Captain and vice Capt., and a complete coincidence they are hardly the most physically imposing figures. Or it could be that neural activity is not be the only thing he is lacking.
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Old 17th March 2018, 17:35   #308
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While Rabada seems to have all of the nous of your average sh-t collectors horse, something else stands out a bit. I notice the only people he has tried to physically stand over and intimidate, are not really very imposing figures, to say the least.

I was waiting for the big scream right in the face routine when he bowled M Marsh (who has probably been our best batsman) with a beauty. Yet it didn't look like he even wanted to make eye contact. While Marsh is generally docile, he is built like a large brick outhouse and did seem to be waiting for Rabada's nonsense, looking rather disdainfully at him with a polite "fek off c#%@" as he trudged off.

It might be that he is simply targeting our Captain and vice Capt., and a complete coincidence they are hardly the most physically imposing figures. Or it could be that neural activity is not be the only thing he is lacking.
Dunno, didn't he have a bit of a run in with Stokes? You'd have to be pretty sure of yourself to pick a fight with that particular unhinged ginger.
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Old 17th March 2018, 17:36   #309
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This is quite brilliant. It seems big Vern thought he would send a tweet blaming Smith for Rabada's stand over routine. He removed it of course, apologising that his account had been hacked. Of course it was Vern, of course it was...lol.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/vern...1D53248E1.ashx
Well if I hacked a celebrity twitter account that's not the type of post I'd write.
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Old 17th March 2018, 21:28   #310
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"Sledging" is one thing, personal abuse is another. McGrath is a classic example. "Why are you so fat?" "Every time I f*** your missus she gives me a biscuit", is a brilliant response. When the banter gets personal then some guys just let it wash off their backs. Point being that you don't dish it out if you can't take some back.
Is this the Sarwan incident? I understood it was Edo Brandes the Zimbarbwean bowler that it happened with.
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Is this the Sarwan incident? I understood it was Edo Brandes the Zimbarbwean bowler that it happened with.
It was. Sarwan/McGrath was something far less witty or amusing.
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Old 18th March 2018, 03:05   #312
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A shame our little opener didn't get a suspension over his sook attack. Our team would be better off. The rest of them haven't been too bad at all.

Conversely for the Saffers. We have little Quenny engaging Warner in a sleding duel before plumbing the depths by getting at him via his wife. Officials falling over themselves to release the footage. Officials then having a laugh posing with fans wearing SBW masks. A numbskull bowler basically saying he was sorry for repeating his mistakes and letting his team down...but deciding to challenge the decision anyway (apparently they are going to blame Smith lol). Now Vern tweeting nonsense that should earn him a little please explain to the ICC, then claiming a hacked account...Is South Africa on a different planet lol?
From what I understand, Quinny is the quietest person on the cricket field; they find it hard to get him to say anything. Warner though apparently mercilessly sledged him for two hours and then before they entered the tunnel (this was picked up by the cameras), screamed at him, saynig that he was an effing sook, followed by "Look at you you sook". That would appear to be gratuitous. Perhaps it's not surprising that he finally said something. While not condoning what he evidently muttered under his breath to Warner, if you dish it out constantly, you may not like how serve is returned. Who says what the rules of engagement are? Strictly speaking it is a workplace and sledging of any sort is abuse. A bit of friendly banter would come outside of this one would imagine, because that happens in any workplace. There is very little sympathy for Warner in the Aussie press or among readers. Some also remarked that he was the one who by constantly referencing his wife, contributed to Candice's discomfort.

Anyway with Rabada, it seems that sanity has prevailed, his father has told him to own up for his part in the Smith incident, which he has done. He has expressed contrition.

Just with Warner, he was lucky not to receive a sanction for screaming at Markram who was not dismissed. The other Aussies had to restrain him again.
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Old 18th March 2018, 03:48   #313
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I was going to say similar, but if you start getting personal like McGrath did I think the gloves are well and truly off.
The fundamental issue here is that what is personal and what is not has to be judged by the standards of the recipient - the person who ultimately has their personal nerve touched, and not the person issuing the "sledge". What McGrath (and others) have done is said "it's fine for me to define what is acceptable for me to say to you, but not for you to define what is acceptable to say back.".
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Agreed.

The whole thing is pretty pathetic really. Even the “ooh you’re not very good” stuff. Grown men ffs. Just get on with the game.
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The fundamental issue here is that what is personal and what is not has to be judged by the standards of the recipient - the person who ultimately has their personal nerve touched, and not the person issuing the "sledge". What McGrath (and others) have done is said "it's fine for me to define what is acceptable for me to say to you, but not for you to define what is acceptable to say back.".
So in theory then all sledging is fraught with danger of offending.
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Back to the cricket Hazelwood says he wants some grass on the pitch for the next test. Bet the batsmen don't, though with Rabada absent it may be ok.
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Back to the cricket Hazelwood says he wants some grass on the pitch for the next test. Bet the batsmen don't, though with Rabada absent it may be ok.
Good for him, but with Philander having terrorised the Aussies before on greener wickets, such as Hobart a couple of years back, I think his team would favour a flatter, drier pitch.
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Love how a whinging Aussie manages to bring the Poms into a South African / Australian issue here.

If we're talking about England, wonder whether there was any truth in the rumour that the Aussies mentioned David Bairstow's death to YJB at the crease during the winter?
Rumour being the key word here. Let's not accuse players of saying anything they haven't. But yes, you would hope not, given Warners reaction to sledging involving family members.
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The whole thing is pretty pathetic really. Even the “ooh you’re not very good” stuff. Grown men ffs. Just get on with the game.
That would be a boring game then. The verbals between Anderson/Broad/Smith in Adelaide was perhaps the only intense session or two of the series. It heightened the contest. I want to see players emoting and showing passion, not neutered robots.

Maybe there should be an independent panel/or referee that listens to the feed and determine what is or what isn't acceptable. I'm fine with players ability being bought into question, expressed with any language you feel, as long as it's relevant to their cricket. Race/Sexuality/Family Members are obviously a no go zone.

This should just be common sense though.
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That would be a boring game then. The verbals between Anderson/Broad/Smith in Adelaide was perhaps the only intense session or two of the series. It heightened the contest. I want to see players emoting and showing passion, not neutered robots.

Maybe there should be an independent panel/or referee that listens to the feed and determine what is or what isn't acceptable. I'm fine with players ability being bought into question, expressed with any language you feel, as long as it's relevant to their cricket. Race/Sexuality/Family Members are obviously a no go zone.

This should just be common sense though.
But there is always a blurred line because nobody can independently decide what is personally offensive to individuals and what is not.

And technically speaking if it's considered a workplace, why you tell someone they're no good?
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