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Old 12th March 2017, 13:35   #1181
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Shaoib at his peak was some bowler.

I'd say he was easily their best bowler at his peak (although fair enough if you're arguing that Waqar at his much earlier peak was better).

2002-03 he took 72 wickets at 15.08. That included matches against Australia, SA, WI, NZ. The only side during that spell he took wickets at over 21.80 against was Sri Lanka (in a single test).

Injuries did limit both him and that peak though.
I gotta agree with this. Remember watching his as a kid and he was just fast, so deadly, got swing and reverse, an almost complete fast bowlers and really, along with Lee, the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory.

But we do have to take into account entire careers and ocme backs from injury and Waz is the best Pakistan had and the best I have seen in my life time and arguably the greatest of them all.
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Old 12th March 2017, 21:15   #1182
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I gotta agree with this. Remember watching his as a kid and he was just fast, so deadly, got swing and reverse, an almost complete fast bowlers and really, along with Lee, the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory.

But we do have to take into account entire careers and ocme backs from injury and Waz is the best Pakistan had and the best I have seen in my life time and arguably the greatest of them all.
Not sure what you mean by saying "the last time we can use the word fast in all its glory" but in more recent years the likes of Steyn, Morkel, Johnson, Starc, Wahab and Gabriel have all been in a similar pace bracket.
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Old 20th March 2017, 15:09   #1183
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The Knuckle Ball

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Old 23rd March 2017, 18:59   #1184
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Is he?

I seem to remember suggesting he was a leading self-publicist and him and Slogger getting into a big argument about it.

I'm sure Chin will remember it.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 23:28   #1185
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Is he?

I seem to remember suggesting he was a leading self-publicist and him and Slogger getting into a big argument about it.

I'm sure Chin will remember it.
Think it was all Joe Didly and IGHOLS.
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Old 15th April 2017, 11:38   #1186
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Tye's figures on debut in the IPL.

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Over 60% of Tye's deliveries were sub-120kph knuckle balls, including 4 of his wickets. He became the first bowler to bag a hat-trick and a 5-for on IPL debut.

One of his 5 (Stokes probably now practising how to bowl it )

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Tye to Stokes, OUT, confounds Stokes with a slower ball. That's Tye's specialty. Another knuckle ball on off and middle, Stokes misses a flick and the ball goes through between a big gap between bat and pad. Knocks into the off stump. An inside edge into the pad and then the stumps
BA Stokes b Tye 25 (28m 18b 2x4 1x6) SR: 138.88

His 20/20 figures for Australia 5 matches 5 wickets at 37.60 econ 10.25.

Players in the IPL not used to the knuckle ball or just the Rising Pune Supergiant? We will see how he progresses.

Andrew Tye on his knuckle ball: "It has probably taken me five-six years to get to the stage where it is today"
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He should have had another wicket rather than gone for 2 runs last ball as it was badly dropped by Jadeja so could have been 4-0-15-6. Is interesting that he went for loads playing internationals. He was part of a weak attack there though, so up against set batsmen most of the time but then he was mostly bowling to set batsmen yesterday too, except when he'd just got a wicket.
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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers
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Anderson - Test debut May 2003
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests/5 ODIs SL and 4 Tests/5 ODIs Pak
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from Bangladesh tour 2 Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb
Nov 2014 - given an extra six weeks to recover from a knee niggle and misses SL ODIs
Jan 2015 - stiff groin, misses 1st ODI in Australia
July 2015 - side strain, misses 4th & 5th Ashes Test
Dec 2015 - stiff calf, misses 1st Test v SA
June 2016 - shoulder injury .. misses f/c game for Lancs & 1st Test Pak
Aug 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 cc games
Sep 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 Tests in Bangladesh in Oct and 1st Test in India Nov and misses 5th Test due to stiff body
May 2017 - groin tear

Broad - Test debut Dec 2007
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI & rested for Ban home for S&C
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODIs v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Jun 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss the SL ODIs. Recovery 3 to 4 months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee
Aug 2016 - stress reaction in left ankle. Rested from cc games
Nov 2016 - toe tendon injury
June 2017 - heel injury only bowls 1 over in 2nd inns v Leics. Scan
Dec 2017 - ongoing heel and knee. Has a scan after fluid drained from knee

Finn - Test debut Mar 2010
Oct 2012 - hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia
Nov 2014 - groin strain, misses 1 ODI in SL
Oct 2015 - stress injury to left foot, misses 3 Tests in UAE, ODIs and 20/20. Plays Lions
Jan 2016 - stiff side misses 4th Test in SA and ODIs and 20/20s
Feb 2016 - calf injury misses 20/20 World Cup
Aug 2016 - torn hamstring in 4th Test v Pak. Out for 4 weeks.
Nov 2016 - torn left knee cartilage, out of the Ashes

Woakes - Test debut Aug 2013
May 2011 - sore shins - misses out Lions v Sri Lanka
Oct 2011 - strained quad, misses out ODIs v India
Mar 2015 - metarsal stress reaction, misses out last ODI in WC and out of West Indies tour
Apr 2015 - knee problem, operation for a meniscal tear, misses England v NZ Tests
Sep 2015 - right thigh problem, misses last 2 ODIs v Aus
Nov 2016 - cracked finger and knee niggle
May 2017 - quad niggle, misses 2nd ODI v SA
Jun 2017 - side strain, out of CT
Dec 2017 - sore side, misses 4th Ashes Test

Stokes - Test debut Dec 2013
Jun 2011 - dislocated finger, out for 6 to 8 weeks
Nov 2011 - out for six months after surgery on right index finger
May 2012 - back injury, misses Lions v WI at home
Mar 2014 - fractured right wrist, has surgery & misses 20/20 WC and first month of the season
Nov 2015 - injured collarbone in 3rd Test. Out of ODIs and 20/20s in UAE
May 2016 - knee injury misses 2nd innings 1st Test v SL and out for 6 weeks.
July 2016 - torn left calf muscle - misses 2nd inns 2nd Test and 3rd Test against Pakistan
May 2017 - sore shoulder in IPL, knee soreness in 1st ODI v SA only bowls 2 overs
Sep 2017 - broken hand after fight, misses 2 ODIs while banned

Wood - Test debut May 2015
Sep 2013 - torn side muscle
Feb 2014 - side strain in warm up game Lions v Sri Lanka, out mid July to end of Sep
Jul 2015 - ankle injury - misses 2nd Ashes Test
Oct 2015 - ankle injury - misses 3rd Test in UAE, 2nd cortisone injection in 6 months
Nov 2015 - has ankle operation and misses Tests and ODIs and 20/20 in SA
April 2016 - has second operation of his ankle
Sep 2016 - ankle injury recurrence, misses ODIs and Tests in Bangladesh
Oct 2016 - needs 3rd operation to ankle which is broken. Misses India series. Out for 3 months
Apr 2017 - groin strain, misses county game
July 2017 - heel injury, misses 3rd Test v SA

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Old 8th June 2017, 20:34   #1189
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Veyr imrpessive seeing the reverse from Ali, Amir and Junaid yesterday. It is an aboslute novelty these days and those 3 won a match with it...like Pakistan teams of old.
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Old 22nd June 2017, 02:58   #1190
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Ridiculously massive amount of stats, posted here. None of them take into consideration where they got their wickets, against whom, the quality of the batting etc. etc. Getting 6 wickets on a Trent Bridge green top as an international seamer should be easy. Go to Delhi, Karachi, Kandy as a spinner and you should be taking wickets.
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Old 29th July 2017, 21:08   #1191
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Keeping an eye on workloads
Overs bowled in 2016 (all forms)

Woakes 635.1
Broad 589.4
Ball 568.3
Stokes 547.5
Anderson 540.2
Finn 536.1
Jordan 419.3
Plunkett 405.4
Willey 358.2
Wood 192.0

2017

Overton 737.2
Anderson 728.5
Broad 689.5
Roland-Jones 580.4
Curran 548.0
Woakes 496.0
Jordan 474.1
Ball 462.5
Finn 439.1
Plunkett 336.4
Stokes 330.1
Wood 316.0
Willey 234.0

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Old 29th July 2017, 21:11   #1192
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Woakes will be well rested for T'Ashes.

Plunkett should definitely go to Aus...
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Old 31st July 2017, 17:33   #1193
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Bowling partners (updated)

60 Tests together
2286.3 overs 254 wickets at 25.67 econ 2.85 s/r 54.0 - Botham (36)
1964.4 overs 222 wickets at 24.62 econ 2.78 s/r 53.0 - Willis (35)
4251.1 overs 476 wickets at 25.18 econ 2.81 s/r 53.5
(won 25/60 bowling together - 244 wickets) 41.6% win

30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

45 Tests together
1495.1-300-5025-166 ~ 30.27 econ 3.36 s/r 54.0 - Hoggard (31)
1662.4-317-5383-174 ~ 30.93 econ 3.23 s/r 57.3 - Harmison (30)
3157.5-617-10408-340 ~ 30.52 econ 3.29 s/r 55.7
(won 23/45 bowling together - 213 wickets) 51.1% win

96 Tests together
3588.0-925-10129-390 ~ 25.97 econ 2.82 s/r 55.2 - Anderson (35)
3309.1-731-10030-347 ~ 28.90 econ 3.03 s/r 57.2 - Broad (31)
6897.1-1656-20159-737 ~ 27.35 econ 2.92 s/r 56.1
(won 43/96 bowling together - 399 wickets) 44.7% win


Partnerships
Ambrose and Walsh 95 Tests
7131.3 overs 762 wickets at 22.67 econ 2.42 s/r 56.1 36/5
Anderson and Broad 95 Tests
6790.1 overs 730 wickets at 27.15 econ 2.91 s/r 55.8 32/5
Younis and Akram 61 Tests
4353.2 overs 559 wickets at 22.12 econ 2.84 s/r 45.65 37/7
McGrath and Gillespie 58 Tests
4166.2 overs 496 wickets at 23.33 econ 2.67 s/r 50.3 26/3
Donald and Pollock 47 Tests
3397.5 overs 397 wickets at 21.84 econ 2.55 s/r 51.3 22/1

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Old 31st July 2017, 18:17   #1194
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The higher the combined bowling average, the higher the win percentage!
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Old 31st July 2017, 18:29   #1195
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Just looking at the England team in county cricket
(Woakes saying it was difficult to get Stoneman out)

Cook - Anderson (3), Roland-Jones (1)
Stoneman - Woakes (4), Anderson (2), Roland-Jones (2), Ali (2), Crane (1), Westley (1), Broad (1)
Westley - Anderson (1), Roland-Jones (1), Crane (1), Ali (1), Malan (1)
Root - Stokes (2), Roland-Jones (1)
Malan - Crane (3), Woakes (2), Westley (2), Ali (1)
Stokes - Roland-Jones (3), Anderson (1), Woakes (1), Westley (1), Broad (1)
Bairstow - Stokes (3), Roland-Jones (2), Ali (2), Broad (1)
Ali - Roland-Jones (4), Woakes (3), Anderson (1), Broad (1)
Woakes - Anderson (1), Broad (1)
Roland-Jones - Woakes (1), Stokes (1), Crane (1), Ali (1)
Broad - Anderson (1), Woakes (1), Stokes (1)
Anderson - Woakes (1), Stokes (1), Broad (1)
Crane - Roland-Jones (1), Westley (1)
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Just looking at the England team in county cricket
(Woakes saying it was difficult to get Stoneman out)

Cook - Anderson (3), Roland-Jones (1)
Stoneman - Woakes (4), Anderson (2), Roland-Jones (2), Ali (2), Crane (1), Westley (1), Broad (1)
Westley - Anderson (1), Roland-Jones (1), Crane (1), Ali (1), Malan (1)
Root - Stokes (2), Roland-Jones (1)
Malan - Crane (3), Woakes (2), Westley (2), Ali (1)
Stokes - Roland-Jones (3), Anderson (1), Woakes (1), Westley (1), Broad (1)
Bairstow - Stokes (3), Roland-Jones (2), Ali (2), Broad (1)
Ali - Roland-Jones (4), Woakes (3), Anderson (1), Broad (1)
Woakes - Anderson (1), Broad (1)
Roland-Jones - Woakes (1), Stokes (1), Crane (1), Ali (1)
Broad - Anderson (1), Woakes (1), Stokes (1)
Anderson - Woakes (1), Stokes (1), Broad (1)
Crane - Roland-Jones (1), Westley (1)
Is this the number of times the batsman in bold has been dismissed by that bowler?
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Is this the number of times the batsman in bold has been dismissed by that bowler?
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The TuffersColly and Vaughan series preview, with Curtley Ambrose and Mark Wood, was an interesting listen. Main points I took:

1. Wood sounds very uncertain of his technique which is a bit worrying for someone who has now played ten tests and started the summer as England's first reserve seamer.

2. Wood referred to Broad and Anderson by their surnames, which sounded a little odd when we're used to other England players referring to them almost universally as Stu and Jimmy. Was he just being respectful, or is there something else going on?

3. Ambrose said he'd usually determine what length to bowl on a pitch by the end of the first over. Recently our two all-time leading wicket takers still haven't figured this out by the end of the first day! I guess that's why Ambrose averaged 7-8 runs fewer for his wickets.

In fact, with 405 at 20.99, Ambrose is just behind two fellow famed WI quicks for the best average of players with 200 or more scalps (Marshall took 356 at 20.94 and Garner 259 at 20.97).
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