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Old 2nd September 2015, 12:50   #981
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Rreverse swing is a whole different question, although Wasim did do a bit of conventional swinging too, if I recall correctly.
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Old 2nd September 2015, 16:22   #982
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Which leaves the odd possibility that Botham may actually be correct about tides.

Also, while I'm here, DL, love your comments about motivated cognition but after a long time of keeping us guessing, I'm afraid it's totally blown your cover as anything other than a wind up merchant. Not that I've taken anything you've posted terribly seriously for months but that's a clincher: nobody could have such an effective self awareness bypass as that.
I have great admiration too for the skill of whichever surgeon could have carried out your reality perception and character analysis bypasses.

He must be quite eminent in these fields, not unlike yourself in the field of statistical analysis which he thankfully left alone, thereby delivering much amusement on here.
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Old 2nd September 2015, 20:23   #983
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I have great admiration too for the skill of whichever surgeon could have carried out your reality perception and character analysis bypasses.

He must be quite eminent in these fields, not unlike yourself in the field of statistical analysis which he thankfully left alone, thereby delivering much amusement on here.
It's okay, I appreciate that having put all that work in over all that time you'd not want to admit defeat now. It was a good effort but you overplayed a hand one time too many. It would just be sad for you to hang around the poker table after busting out insisting that the game's still on.
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Old 3rd September 2015, 10:36   #984
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With the gambling analogy, I'm surprised you picked poker instead of craps. Perhaps that's to avoid confusion with your frequent use of the singular version in other comments.
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Old 3rd September 2015, 20:20   #985
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Lol, very good, while describing your posts, you mean? This one probably wasn't worth the many hours of work you put in. In fact, not really worth many seconds of work but never mind, still better quality WUMing than on the usual Yorkshire topics.
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Old 4th September 2015, 12:18   #986
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Lol, very good, while describing your posts, you mean? ...
Ha, ha, another retort straight from the playground.
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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers
Since Tremlett and Bresnan no longer have central contracts I have removed them and added Jordan, Woakes and Stokes

Broad
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI and later rested for Bangladesh at home for S&C
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODIs v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Jun 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss the SL ODIs. Recovery to be three to four months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee

Anderson
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests/5 ODIs SL and 4 Tests/5 ODIs Pak
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from Bangladesh tour 2 Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb
Nov 2014 - given an extra six weeks to recover from a knee niggle and misses SL ODIs
Jan 2015 - stiff groin, misses 1st ODI in Australia
July 2015 - side strain, misses 4th & 5th Ashes Test
Dec 2015 - stiff calf, misses 1st Test v SA

Finn
Injury free since his debut March 2010.
Oct 2012 - Hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - Minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - Sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - Slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia
Nov 2014 - groin strain, misses 1 ODI in SL
Oct 2015 - stress injury to left foot, misses 3 Tests in UAE, ODIs and 20/20. Plays Lions
Jan 2016 - Stiff side

Stokes
Jun 2011 - dislocated finger, out for 6 to 8 weeks
Nov 2011 - out for six months after surgery on right index finger
May 2012 - back injury, misses Lions v WI at home
Mar 2014 - fractured right wrist, has surgery & misses 20/20 WC and first month of the season
Nov 2015 - injured collarbone in 3rd Test. Out of ODIs and 20/20s in UAE

Wood
Sep 2013 - torn side muscle
Feb 2014 - side strain in warm up game Lions v Sri Lanka, out mid July to end of Sep
Jul 2015 - ankle injury - misses 2nd Ashes Test
Oct 2015 - ankle injury - misses 3rd Test in UAE, 2nd cortisone injection in 6 months
Nov 2015 - has ankle operation and misses Tests and ODIs and 20/20 in SA

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If Anderson was a horse he'd be shot.
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If Anderson was a horse he'd be shot.
Some of those weren't real injuries at all. One of them they just rested his knee. Probably the rest of him played on as normal.
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Some of those weren't real injuries at all. One of them they just rested his knee. Probably the rest of him played on as normal.
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Old 13th September 2015, 18:31   #991
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Fan boy.
Yeah, I was devastated: his left knee is his best bit in my view.
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What would happen to Broad then?
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What would happen to Broad then?
With his luck the shotgun would misfire.
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What would happen to Broad then?
He'd be put out to stud.
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With his luck the shotgun would misfire.
Presumably it would be an Australian batsman firing it too
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He'd be put out to stud.
Of course he is from the right sort of family...
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Bowlers in and around the England set up.
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First class
190 games 6449.4 overs 728 wickets at 26.89 econ 3.03 s/r 53.1 35/5 - Anderson (33)
158 games 4532.4 overs 446 wickets at 31.23 econ 3.07 s/r 60.9 7/0 - Bresnan (30)
149 games 4761.2 overs 547 wickets at 27.66 econ 3.17 s/r 52.2 25/3 - Broad (29)
143 games 4050.2 overs 528 wickets at 26.31 econ 3.43 s/r 46.0 24/3 - Onions (33)
143 games 3714.1 overs 435 wickets at 30.96 econ 3.62 s/r 51.2 11/1 - Plunkett (30)
118 games 3590.3 overs 442 wickets at 27.98 econ 3.44 s/r 48.7 12/1 - Finn (26)
106 games 2977.0 overs 358 wickets at 25.42 econ 3.05 s/r 49.8 15/3 - Woakes (26)
102 games 2974.3 overs 345 wickets at 28.57 econ 3.31 s/r 51.7 12/2 - Harris (25)
97 games 2593.4 overs 267 wickets at 32.71 econ 3.36 s/r 58.2 10/0 - Dernbach (29)
88 games 1596.5 overs 190 wickets at 30.93 econ 3.68 s/r 50.4 4/1 - Stokes (24)
86 games 2213.2 overs 227 wickets at 33.48 econ 3.43 s/r 58.5 4/0 - Shahzad (30)
84 games 2057.5 overs 262 wickets at 27.95 econ 3.55 s/r 47.1 9/2 - Coles (25)
83 games 2335.4 overs 300 wickets at 26.63 econ 3.42 s/r 46.7 10/0 - Brooks (31)
78 games 2107.2 overs 231 wickets at 31.60 econ 3.46 s/r 54.7 8/0 - Jordan (26)
72 games 1964.2 overs 264 wickets at 26.00 econ 3.49 s/r 44.6 15/0 - Footitt (29)
66 games 1959.3 overs 248 wickets at 24.70 econ 3.12 s/r 47.4 12/2 - Roland-Jones (27)
66 games 1758.4 overs 188 wickets at 31.79 econ 3.39 s/r 56.1 4/0 - Gurney (28)
63 games 1646.2 overs 215 wickets at 28.92 econ 3.77 s/r 45.9 11/2 - Meaker (26)
58 games 1324.4 overs 148 wickets at 29.73 econ 3.42 s/r 53.7 5/1 - Willey (25)
33 games 794.5 overs 102 wickets at 25.98 econ 3.33 s/r 46.7 2/0 - COverton (21)
33 games 733.4 overs 69 wickets at 41.02 econ 3.85 s/r 63.7 1/0 - JOverton (21)
32 games 849.0 overs 105 wickets at 27.33 econ 3.38 s/r 48.5 5/0 - Wood (25)
32 games 588.3 overs 55 wickets at 36.50 econ 3.41 s/r 64.2 0/0 - Mills (22)
31 games 950.0 overs 125 wickets at 25.78 econ 3.39 s/r 45.6 7/2 - Topley (21)
31 games 791.4 overs 94 wickets at 33.43 econ 3.97 s/r 50.5 3/0 - Dunn (23)


List A
247 games 1999.0 overs 343 wickets at 28.15 econ 4.83 s/r 34.9 - Anderson (33)
245 games 1845.2 overs 280 wickets at 33.39 econ 5.18 s/r 38.6 - Bresnan (30)
137 games 1139.3 overs 205 wickets at 29.22 econ 5.25 s/r 33.3 - Broad (28)
135 games 935.2 overs 161 wickets at 31.64 econ 5.44 s/r 34.8 - Plunkett (30)
123 games 877.0 overs 184 wickets at 28.70 econ 6.02 s/r 28.5 - Dernbach (29)
117 games 921.4 overs 165 wickets at 28.40 econ 5.08 s/r 33.5 - Finn (26)
112 games 777.2 overs 124 wickets at 35.19 econ 5.61 s/r 37.6 - Woakes (26)
95 games 399.2 overs 86 wickets at 26.19 econ 5.64 s/r 27.8 - Stokes (24)
87 games 602.4 overs 99 wickets at 31.04 econ 5.09 s/r 36.5 - Onions (32)
76 games 561.4 overs 112 wickets at 26.96 econ 5.37 s/r 30.0 - Shahzad (30)
70 games 385.4 overs 68 wickets at 31.73 econ 5.59 s/r 34.0 - Willey (25)
66 games 451.0 overs 70 wickets at 35.94 econ 5.57 s/r 38.6 - Gurney (28)
57 games 432.1 overs 89 wickets at 27.66 econ 5.69 s/r 29.1 - Jordan (26)
53 games 362.1 overs 71 wickets at 28.92 econ 5.67 s/r 30.6 - Harris (25)
52 games 310.3 overs 80 wickets at 22.95 econ 5.90 s/r 23.3 - Coles (25)
48 games 296.2 overs 48 wickets at 38.47 econ 6.23 s/r 37.0 - Meaker (26)
43 games 317.1 overs 71 wickets at 24.14 econ 5.40 s/r 26.8 - Roland-Jones (27)
35 games 214.5 overs 46 wickets at 29.43 econ 6.30 s/r 28.0 - Footitt (29)
35 games 254.0 overs 36 wickets at 34.37 econ 4.85 s/r 42.3 - Brooks (31)
33 games 251.2 overs 55 wickets at 24.03 econ 5.25 s/r 27.4 - Topley (21)
23 games 152.0 overs 25 wickets at 32.64 econ 5.36 s/r 36.4 - Wood (25)
23 games 131.4 overs 22 wickets at 35.77 econ 5.97 s/r 35.9 - Mills (21)
21 games 157.3 overs 22 wickets at 36.00 econ 5.02 s/r 42.9 - COverton (21)
18 games 112.5 overs 24 wickets at 29.37 econ 6.24 s/r 28.2 - JOverton (21)
1 game 6.0 overs 2 wickets at 16.00 econ 5.33 s/r 18.0 - Dunn (22)

I was updating the figures and noticed the stand out bowler with roughly the same number of games, Topley. They have all had injury problems but if he stays fit Hants will have made an excellent signing.

I'll have to take some of these bowlers off the list when season ends as they haven't been with England for a while now.

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I was updating the figures and noticed the stand out bowler with roughly the same number of games, Topley. They have all had injury problems but if he stays fit Hants will have made an excellent signing.

I'll have to take some of these bowlers off the list when season ends as they haven't been with England for a while now.
If he stays fit he'll be England's death bowler in limited overs and won't play for Hants.
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If he stays fit he'll be England's death bowler in limited overs and won't play for Hants.
When we are playing Tests he will be with Hants.

Our ODI bowling

Willey
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Stokes
Ali

Batsmen averaging over 45+

Broad - Clarke (11) de Villiers (10) Taylor, Amla (8) Younis Khan, Smith (6) Chanderpaul, A Ali, Warner (5) Rahane, Misbah (4) Hussey, Ponting, Tendulkar, Jayawardene, Williamson, Kohli, Pujara, Kallis (3) Rahul, Sehwag, Voges, Dravid, (2) Yousuf, Khawaja, Laxman, du Plessis, Katich, Sangakkara, G Smith (1) - 111 (28.6% of his wickets)

Z Khan - G Smith, Hayden (7) Sangakkara (6) Hussey, Clarke, Ponting, (5) Williamson, Cook, Langer, Katich (4) Samaraweera, de Villiers, Kallis (3) Warner, Lara, Y Khan, Chanderpaul, Jayawardene, Pietersen, Taylor, Amla (2) du Plessis, Inzamam, S Waugh, Flower, Martyn, Yousuf, Gilchrist (1) - 83 (26.6%)

Anderson - Tendulkar, Clarke (9) Sangakarra, Warner, Kallis (7) G Smith (6) Misbah, Sehwag, Dravid, Kohli, S Smith (5) du Plessis, Williamson, Jayawardene, Laxman, A Ali, Pujara, Ponting, Taylor, Chanderpaul (4) Y Khan, Hussey, de Villiers (3) Rahane, Amla (2) Yousuf, Gilchrist, Langer, Lara, Voges, Khawaja, Samaraweera, Katich (1) - 127 (25%)

Morkel - Cook (12) Hussey (8) Ponting (6) Pietersen (5) Dravid (4) Jayawardene. A Ali, Clarke (3) Kohli, Katich, Sangakarra, Y Khan, Laxman, Williamson, Root (2) Hayden, Samaraweera, S Smith, Taylor, Rahane, Warner, Misbah, Tendulkar, Pujara, Sehwag (1) - 67 (24.2%)

Steyn - Clarke (11) Sehwag, Hussey (7) Y Khan (6) Katich (5) Warner, Jayawardene, Laxman, Cook, Misbah, Ponting (4) Hayden, Pujara, Pietersen, Tendulkar, Williamson, Chanderpaul (3) Sangakkara, Taylor, A Ali, Dravid (2) Khawaja, Inzamam, Yousuf, Kohli, S Smith (1) - 91 (21.8%)

McGrath - Lara (14), Kirsten (8) Tendulkar, Kallis (6) Y Khan, Pietersen, Laxman, Chanderpaul, Inzamam (5) Sehwag, G Smith, Anwar, Dravid (4) Cook, Yousuf (3) Flower, Jayawardene, (2) Azharuddin, Samaraweera, de Villiers (1) - 88 (15.6%)

Marshall - Border (11), Gavaskar (8), Crowe (4) D Jones, Miandad (3) S Waugh (2) Azharuddin (1) - 32 (8.51%)



Not sure about Rashid. I would have him in 20/20s instead.

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... Not sure about Rashid. I would have him in 20/20s instead.
There aren't many, though, are they? Why not just drop him from ODIs if you don't want him playing in them?
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