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Old 4th November 2018, 02:42   #221
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Series to come in Windies and more importantly the Ashes next summer. A longer term approach is required. Not shoehorning Moeen in to a position he is unsuitable for - again.
We are increasingly getting to the point where all top 3 options have been tried and failed. The problem with English batsmen at the moment is they all seem best at 6 or 7. The advantage with Moeen at 3 is at least he doesn't mind it. There's no chance we'll have a settled top order for The Ashes as there are big question marks until we get to Root at 4.
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Old 4th November 2018, 07:18   #222
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Series to come in Windies and more importantly the Ashes next summer. A longer term approach is required. Not shoehorning Moeen in to a position he is unsuitable for - again.
If this is about planning for the ashes then a re you suggesting we should only pick one spin bowler?

Sans - re woakes - i am saying that had woakes given up bowling then he probably would have been a better batsman than Denly by now. As it stands I donít think there is much between them. However, I have not seen much of Denly recently in first class cricket as Kent have rarely been in the same division as Somerset.
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Old 4th November 2018, 11:09   #223
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We are increasingly getting to the point where all top 3 options have been tried and failed. The problem with English batsmen at the moment is they all seem best at 6 or 7. The advantage with Moeen at 3 is at least he doesn't mind it. There's no chance we'll have a settled top order for The Ashes as there are big question marks until we get to Root at 4.
Moeen at 3 is kind of a fall back position, I'd rather at a start of a series be trying out the next batsman on the cab rank to fix the holes rather than putting Mo there, it's not made easy by taking Jennings as one of 3 top order players (I'd have hoped to have taken another and used Jennings as the backup if at all).

Woakes is very suspect to short pitched bowling it doesn't have to be searing pace other than that he's a very competent batsman. I don't see why he'd be pushed up to a position where the bowlers are fresh and probably happy to give him plenty of short stuff, I wouldn't have an issue with him batting at 5 is say Stokes was injured though but we have plenty of batsman happy to bat at 5 so I don't think it's likely to happen.
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Old 4th November 2018, 15:40   #224
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Moeen at 3 is kind of a fall back position, I'd rather at a start of a series be trying out the next batsman on the cab rank to fix the holes rather than putting Mo there, it's not made easy by taking Jennings as one of 3 top order players (I'd have hoped to have taken another and used Jennings as the backup if at all).

Woakes is very suspect to short pitched bowling it doesn't have to be searing pace other than that he's a very competent batsman. I don't see why he'd be pushed up to a position where the bowlers are fresh and probably happy to give him plenty of short stuff, I wouldn't have an issue with him batting at 5 is say Stokes was injured though but we have plenty of batsman happy to bat at 5 so I don't think it's likely to happen.
Ordinarily I'd agree although here I suspect Smith has somewhat saddled Root and Bayliss with Denly. As he's shown no sort of form here and their first objective is to win a series I think they may well go for Ali. Not really sure it's all that fair on Denly putting him in with no runs to talk of ... although that's often the case when touring. Denly has a worse career record than Ali at county level batting at 3, so it wouldn't be that controversial. Ideally I'd like none of the above, although being fair I'm struggling to think of someone.
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Old 5th November 2018, 15:06   #225
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35,000 BBC Sport readers picked a team. The 11 most popular players make up the final XI, listed here in batting order:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46078603
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35,000 BBC Sport readers picked a team. The 11 most popular players make up the final XI, listed here in batting order:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/46078603
That is amazing.

Who didnít pick root, stokes, buttler and moeen? Very odd.

I will be amazed if we pick four seamers and no controlling spin bowler. I suspect people donít appreciate that in Sri Lanka four seam bowlers will be a waste of a slot.
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That is amazing.

Who didnít pick root, stokes, buttler and moeen? Very odd.

I will be amazed if we pick four seamers and no controlling spin bowler. I suspect people donít appreciate that in Sri Lanka four seam bowlers will be a waste of a slot.
35,000 voted but only 32% picked Leach. I bet only 40% had even heard of him.
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35,000 voted but only 32% picked Leach. I bet only 40% had even heard of him.
He's that Worcester seamer, innit?
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He's that Worcester seamer, innit?
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