Batting and Batsmen thread

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

The most talked about young batsmen.

Tests

41 Tests 3852 runs at 60.18 HS215 14 100s 16 50s - Smith (26)
39 Tests 3406 runs at 54.93 HS200* 9 100s 19 50s - Root (25)
48 Tests 4037 runs at 49.23 HS242* 13 100s 19 50s - Williamson (25)
41 Tests 2994 runs at 44.02 HS169 11 100s 12 50s - Kohli (27)

ODIs

171 ODIs 7212 runs at 51.51 HS183 25 100s 36 50s - Kohli
93 ODIs 3666 runs at 47.00 HS145* 7 100s 25 50s - Williamson
68 ODIs 2572 runs at 44.34 HS125 8 100s 12 50s - Root
72 ODIs 2082 runs at 40.03 HS149 5 100s 9 50s - Smith

20/20s

42 20/20s 1552 runs at 55.42 HS90* 15 50s - Kohli
18 20/20s 513 runs at 36.64 HS90* 3 50s - Root
34 20/20s 935 runs at 34.62 HS72* 5 50s - Williamson
30 20/20s 431 runs at 21.55 HS90 2 50s - Smith

Those limited overs stats need strike-rate.

[Mickmac]

Some interesting and comical comments above.
Seems like "some" people just cannot handle seeing Australia doing so well in at least two forms of the game, Test ranking #1 and highest ranking Test batsman in Steve Smith.
Just love reading the comments that try to alter the facts (you can say what you like but stats are stats)
And the Australians take the insults as a compliment, because they know they are only attracting the spite and envy because of their success.
Keep em comin' boys ! lol lol lol

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Some interesting and comical comments above.
Seems like "some" people just cannot handle seeing Australia doing so well in at least two forms of the game, Test ranking #1 and highest ranking Test batsman in Steve Smith.
Just love reading the comments that try to alter the facts (you can say what you like but stats are stats)
And the Australians take the insults as a compliment, because they know they are only attracting the spite and envy because of their success.
Keep em comin' boys ! lol lol lol

But come a must win match and this happens. Hahaha. A whole generation have no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/33723587

[Summer of 77]

Originally Posted by cabinboy

Is Kohli still considered a young batsman?

All four are over 25, I'd call none of them 'young' in pro cricket terms.

[Mickmac]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

But come a must win match and this happens. Hahaha. A whole generation have no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/33723587

How old are you, about 12 ?
Every England/Australia Test match is a "must win" match.
If you go back "a generation" which is about 25 years, there have been 15 Ashes series played (since 1989)
Australia has won 10 of those series to England's 5.

Four of those 10 series won by Australia were played and won in England.

Since the 1989 series there have been 43 Ashes Test matches played in England of which Australia has won 19, England won 14 and there were 10 draws.

So the only reason I can think of a "whole generation having no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England" is because that generation were hiding behind the sofa with blindfolds on too scared to look out to see their beloved England being humiliated by the convicts.

[Summer of 77]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

How old are you, about 12 ?
Every England/Australia Test match is a "must win" match.
If you go back "a generation" which is about 25 years, there have been 15 Ashes series played (since 1989)
Australia has won 10 of those series to England's 5.

Four of those 10 series won by Australia were played and won in England.

Since the 1989 series there have been 43 Ashes Test matches played in England of which Australia has won 19, England won 14 and there were 10 draws.

So the only reason I can think of a "whole generation having no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England" is because that generation were hiding behind the sofa with blindfolds on too scared to look out to see their beloved England being humiliated by the convicts.

I dunno...a kid born in 1992, who didn't become aware of cricket until he/she was 10, would be 24 now and not have seen an Australian series win in England.

But that's nothing. I was 33 before I first had sex under a Labour government.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

How old are you, about 12 ?
Every England/Australia Test match is a "must win" match.
If you go back "a generation" which is about 25 years, there have been 15 Ashes series played (since 1989)
Australia has won 10 of those series to England's 5.

Four of those 10 series won by Australia were played and won in England.

Since the 1989 series there have been 43 Ashes Test matches played in England of which Australia has won 19, England won 14 and there were 10 draws.

So the only reason I can think of a "whole generation having no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England" is because that generation were hiding behind the sofa with blindfolds on too scared to look out to see their beloved England being humiliated by the convicts.

The last time oz won in England was 2001. So kids born in 1996 would have no recollection of this. 20 years covers the generation (which will be almost 25 by the next series).

It is similar to me being born in 1979 and the first ashes win down under I was aware of was our demolition job in 10/11 (I don't remember mid 80s)

[CDogg16]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

How old are you, about 12 ?
Every England/Australia Test match is a "must win" match.
If you go back "a generation" which is about 25 years, there have been 15 Ashes series played (since 1989)
Australia has won 10 of those series to England's 5.

Four of those 10 series won by Australia were played and won in England.

Since the 1989 series there have been 43 Ashes Test matches played in England of which Australia has won 19, England won 14 and there were 10 draws.

So the only reason I can think of a "whole generation having no idea what it is like to see Australia win in England" is because that generation were hiding behind the sofa with blindfolds on too scared to look out to see their beloved England being humiliated by the convicts.

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Some interesting and comical comments above.

[Mickmac]

Anyone old enough to remember the series played from 1989 - 2003 would remember Australia winning EIGHT series straight, four in either country.
Anyone old enough to be able to read would see that Australia has won the same number of Ashes series as England, and in that time has won 130 test matches to England's 106.
See, sir vigs, it's easy to focus on certain eras to make your side look good, but look at the entire history to get the real picture.
Keep posting, you give me a giggle at least.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Anyone old enough to remember the series played from 1989 - 2003 would remember Australia winning EIGHT series straight, four in either country.
Anyone old enough to be able to read would see that Australia has won the same number of Ashes series as England, and in that time has won 130 test matches to England's 106.
See, sir vigs, it's easy to focus on certain eras to make your side look good, but look at the entire history to get the real picture.
Keep posting, you give me a giggle at least.

Did I dispute any of this? Nope. I remember all of those series (I am 36 and the 1989 series is the first ashes series I remember with the 301 for 0 day etc). My generation witnessed Australia dominate series after series with an amazing side.

I merely pointed out that the youngest generation has never seen Australia win in England. And given the last few attempts you have to wonder how long it will be before they do again. The Aussie team from my generation was fantastic with the likes of the Waugh twins, warne, ponting, McGrath, Gillespie etc. The last few series have involved Shane Watson Ffs and now the batting relies on someone older than me.

Wouldn't it be fun if England won both series this summer then we would hold every single test match trophy we play for.

[CDogg16]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Wouldn't it be fun if England won both series this summer then we would hold every single test match trophy we play for.

Has this ever been done before?

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by CDogg16

Has this ever been done before?

Australia in 2004/5 (between the win in India and the Ashes defeat) would've done I'd imagine.

And presumably when they won the Ashes again in 2006/7, and when they beat South Africa in 2008/9 after losing to them just months prior to that.

[Ali TT]

Actually I think they'd lost to India as well in 2008/9, so that last time probably didn't count

[Mickmac]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Did I dispute any of this? Nope. I remember all of those series (I am 36 and the 1989 series is the first ashes series I remember with the 301 for 0 day etc). My generation witnessed Australia dominate series after series with an amazing side.

I merely pointed out that the youngest generation has never seen Australia win in England. And given the last few attempts you have to wonder how long it will be before they do again. The Aussie team from my generation was fantastic with the likes of the Waugh twins, warne, ponting, McGrath, Gillespie etc. The last few series have involved Shane Watson Ffs and now the batting relies on someone older than me.

Wouldn't it be fun if England won both series this summer then we would hold every single test match trophy we play for.

..................."I merely pointed out that the youngest generation has never seen Australia win in England."................

And I am still trying to work out why you pointed that out, as it had absolutely nothing to do with the comment I made, that you were responding to.
You did not mention the fact Australia holds the #1 test ranking, or Smith being the highest rated test batsman. Instead you handpick a game that Australia lost badly and posted a link to the story about it.
If I went through the records and posted links to every match that England lost miserably we would be here all night, and you would be reduced to tears.
Then again, if Australia had the same test record as England I would probably be looking for "feel good" stories as well.



..............."The last few series have involved Shane Watson Ffs and now the batting relies on someone older than me.".................

You can forget about Watson, he's retired now, (and somehow Australia managed to reach #1 in the Test rankings with him dragging them down !)
and you are dreaming (again) if you believe the Australians rely on the batting of of Voges, who just happened to string some good scores together without losing his wicket too often.
Hope you are not worrying about the age factor too much, as the average age of the current Australian test side is 27, as opposed to the older Poms who average 28.
Australia has two players aged 30 or more (Voges and Neville) and England has four (Cook, Compton, Broad and Anderson)


........."Wouldn't it be fun if England won both series this summer".............

Oh, yes ! That would be jolly well divine !
Are you sure you are 36 ?

[CDogg16]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

..................."I merely pointed out that the youngest generation has never seen Australia win in England."................

And I am still trying to work out why you pointed that out, as it had absolutely nothing to do with the comment I made, that you were responding to.
You did not mention the fact Australia holds the #1 test ranking, or Smith being the highest rated test batsman. Instead you handpick a game that Australia lost badly and posted a link to the story about it.
If I went through the records and posted links to every match that England lost miserably we would be here all night, and you would be reduced to tears.
Then again, if Australia had the same test record as England I would probably be looking for "feel good" stories as well.

Australia are the top ranked team in world cricket but whether or not they deserve it is another matter. Your good on your own patch and have done a good job of beating West Inidies and New Zealand in conditions which are favourable to you, but when you play the bigger teams in their own backyard you struggle much more. When Australia toured England last summer a lot on here were predicting an Aussie win, but like most Test teams at the minute, the current Aussie side is nothing speical.

..............."The last few series have involved Shane Watson Ffs and now the batting relies on someone older than me.".................

You can forget about Watson, he's retired now, (and somehow Australia managed to reach #1 in the Test rankings with him dragging them down !)
and you are dreaming (again) if you believe the Australians rely on the batting of of Voges, who just happened to string some good scores together without losing his wicket too often.
Hope you are not worrying about the age factor too much, as the average age of the current Australian test side is 27, as opposed to the older Poms who average 28.
Australia has two players aged 30 or more (Voges and Neville) and England has four (Cook, Compton, Broad and Anderson)

Voges and Smith are the batsmen you rely upon the most, which is unfortunate seeing as the former was completely exposed against a good bowling attack last summer. I'm not Smiths biggest fan but I'm willing to admit he's a good Test batsman, although scoring runs against NZ and WI is why his average is higher than it should be. You don't seem to have any young batsmen coming through, Burns has done a so so job at the top of the order, but you seem to pinning your hopes on Khawaja, a player I've seen a fair bit of in County Cricket and he looks fairly average.

........."Wouldn't it be fun if England won both series this summer".............

Oh, yes ! That would be jolly well divine !
Are you sure you are 36 ?

Well, if we do win both series we will hold every Test trophy, which is a bigger achievement than being number one in a flawed ranking system. Also, did you see the Masters yesterday? Willett won it, Westwood came second, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Justin Rose and Paul Casey came inside the top ten. Where did Day and Scott finish? I'm sure Willett is happier with his green jacket and trophy than Day is with his number one ranking, which is probably how th Australian cricket team feel when they see and empty spot in their trophy cabinet where The Ashes used to be.

[slop]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Keep em comin' boys ! lol lol lol

Originally Posted by Mickmac

How old are you, about 12 ?

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Keep posting, you give me a giggle at least.

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Are you sure you are 36 ?

Keep telling us how funny you're finding it. It's totally convincing.

[Mickmac]

Originally Posted by CDogg16

Australia are the top ranked team in world cricket but whether or not they deserve it is another matter. Your good on your own patch and have done a good job of beating West Inidies and New Zealand in conditions which are favourable to you, but when you play the bigger teams in their own backyard you struggle much more. When Australia toured England last summer a lot on here were predicting an Aussie win, but like most Test teams at the minute, the current Aussie side is nothing speical.



Voges and Smith are the batsmen you rely upon the most, which is unfortunate seeing as the former was completely exposed against a good bowling attack last summer. I'm not Smiths biggest fan but I'm willing to admit he's a good Test batsman, although scoring runs against NZ and WI is why his average is higher than it should be. You don't seem to have any young batsmen coming through, Burns has done a so so job at the top of the order, but you seem to pinning your hopes on Khawaja, a player I've seen a fair bit of in County Cricket and he looks fairly average.



Well, if we do win both series we will hold every Test trophy, which is a bigger achievement than being number one in a flawed ranking system. Also, did you see the Masters yesterday? Willett won it, Westwood came second, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Justin Rose and Paul Casey came inside the top ten. Where did Day and Scott finish? I'm sure Willett is happier with his green jacket and trophy than Day is with his number one ranking, which is probably how th Australian cricket team feel when they see and empty spot in their trophy cabinet where The Ashes used to be.

Well, I know where to come from now on whenever I need a good laugh !
You are getting better and better with each post !
You are amazing when it comes to sending your Englishmen up, while putting the Aussies down, but then I am used to it.
Even desperate enough to bring golf into it.
What next ? Ping pong and darts ?
Please keep them coming, I am lapping it up and will be sure to remember your comments when the next Ashes series starts in Nov 17 and may even play a few back to you when the time is right.

And sloppy, your comments don't even raise a grin compared to this guy's. But do keep trying.

[slop]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

And sloppy, your comments don't even raise 3 grins compared to this guy's. But do keep trying.

My job's done maccy. Tell us again how funny it is.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Serious question Micky.

If you could pick one batsman who would it be?
Root or smith?

Enjoy handing out beatings to weaker teams while being embarrassed by the big boys. I remember when England were like that and I did not like it. I much prefer embarrassing Aussies and winning in saffer land.

[CDogg16]

Originally Posted by Mickmac

Well, I know where to come from now on whenever I need a good laugh !

So you keep saying.

You are getting better and better with each post !

Thanks.

You are amazing when it comes to sending your Englishmen up, while putting the Aussies down, but then I am used to it.

Haven't mention any individual England players so I'm not sure how I've managed to 'send them up.'

Even desperate enough to bring golf into it.
What next ? Ping pong and darts ?

Not sure about Table Tennis, but I'm glad you've bought up darts. Another sport where the English outperform the Australians.

Please keep them coming, I am lapping it up and will be sure to remember your comments when the next Ashes series starts in Nov 17 and may even play a few back to you when the time is right.

Instead of ranting and raving you should read what posters write. I have stated that the way Test cricket is at the moment that teams go into their home series as favourites more often than not, so it wouldn't be a shock to me, or most posters on here, if Australia did regain the Ashes. Although I would expect England to put up more a fight in Oz than they did over here.