The World Test Championship

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

Have India qualified for the Final yet?

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

13 October 2019

India 200 (4)
NZ 60 (2)
SL 60 (2)
Aus 56 (5)
ENG 56 (5)
SA 0 (2)
WI 0 (2)

Using the no of tests is daft - it’s the number of series that counts.

Add in the fact that some teams don’t even play each other then it’s a pile of dung.

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Using the no of tests is daft - it’s the number of series that counts.

Add in the fact that some teams don’t even play each other then it’s a pile of dung.

India could be 280 by the end of the series. Playing 1 more Test than Australia and England, who are at 56.

[Aidan11]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Using the no of tests is daft - it’s the number of series that counts.

Add in the fact that some teams don’t even play each other then it’s a pile of dung.

And the even more bizarre fact that some series won't count ie NZ v England.

Needs more work.

[Steveh]

Originally Posted by Aidan11

And the even more bizarre fact that some series won't count ie NZ v England.

Needs more work.

The disparity in the number of tests each board choose to play was an aspect of the ranking system that was used for the past decade or so.

Nothing new there and a test championship scoring system has to handle that reality, even while (hopefully) influencing interest in test cricket for the longer term by providing context and focus.

[Ali TT]

Originally Posted by Steveh

The disparity in the number of tests each board choose to play was an aspect of the ranking system that was used for the past decade or so.

Nothing new there and a test championship scoring system has to handle that reality, even while (hopefully) influencing interest in test cricket for the longer term by providing context and focus.

Surely they could've done a win loss ratio? Hugely favours playing lots of short series. Eg if you played five 2 match series you could get a maximum of 600 points, compared to 240(?) for two five match ones.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

India could be 280 by the end of the series. Playing 1 more Test than Australia and England, who are at 56.

How many series will India have played ? 3 ?

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

How many series will India have played ? 3 ?

Sorry I thought that it was four Tests v SA. This will be India's 2nd series.

2 Tests v WI
3 Tests v SA

[aNarcHy2day]

Originally Posted by Ali TT

Surely they could've done a win loss ratio? Hugely favours playing lots of short series. Eg if you played five 2 match series you could get a maximum of 600 points, compared to 240(?) for two five match ones.

Well, the premise of the point system is that everyone play equal number of SERIES, so anyone playing 5 two match series would have to be compared with FIVE five match series, if you want it that way. In which case the maximum points either team could accrue would be the same.

[ConfusedMale]

India, England and Australia have been playing 4 or 5 test matches in a series against each other while playing 2 or 3 tests against the remaining countries. Until the boards agree to accommodate the same number of tests against each other, I think disparities will exist regarding the number of tests each country plays.

Btw, why exactly isn't the England-NZ series not coming under the test championships?

[aNarcHy2day]

Originally Posted by ConfusedMale

India, England and Australia have been playing 4 or 5 test matches in a series against each other while playing 2 or 3 tests against the remaining countries. Until the boards agree to accommodate the same number of tests against each other, I think disparities will exist regarding the number of tests each country plays.

Btw, why exactly isn't the England-NZ series not coming under the test championships?

Teams can select two teams against whom not to play, I think. India aren't playing a WTC series against Pakistan and Sri Lanka for eg. But I may be wrong.

[ConfusedMale]

Originally Posted by aNarcHy2day

Teams can select two teams against whom not to play, I think. India aren't playing a WTC series against Pakistan and Sri Lanka for eg. But I may be wrong.

So, we're sacrificing some cheap points, considering how frequently we play SL? I'm now waiting to see how that's going to be spun to somehow favour India.

[Sir Coolerking]

Originally Posted by ConfusedMale

Btw, why exactly isn't the England-NZ series not coming under the test championships?

I think it was arranged after the original plan was put in place. So it may have meant England (or NZ) playing too many series compared to the others. Although that's only one issue fixed in the scoring system.

I don't think anyone would question that India are one of the top 2 Test teams and deserve to be playing in the Final. It's the ridiculous scoring system that they are exposing that is the real issue.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

Sorry I thought that it was four Tests v SA. This will be India's 2nd series.

2 Tests v WI
3 Tests v SA

So they have P 2 (series) Pts 240

Total series to be played is 12 ?

[Steveh]

Each team plays 6 series within the structure of the competition.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by Steveh

Each team plays 6 series within the structure of the competition.

6 series ? And some can be 2 tests ?

That’s terrible. And easily gamed.

[Steveh]

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

6 series ? And some can be 2 tests ?

That’s terrible. And easily gamed.

3 home series and 3 away series for each of the 9 teams.

The problem really amounts to that faced by Boards, that series of more than 2 tests versus certain opposition are not financially viable. England are usually a team most boards would relish longer series against.

[Sir Coolerking]

Originally Posted by Steveh

3 home series and 3 away series for each of the 9 teams.

The problem really amounts to that faced by Boards, that series of more than 2 tests versus certain opposition are not financially viable. England are usually a team most boards would relish longer series against.

India do play England in a 5 Test series as part of this, but that shouldn't inconvenience them too much.

[Jock McTuffnel v3]

Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

India do play England in a 5 Test series as part of this, but that shouldn't inconvenience them too much.

Sounds like they will have racked up enough points by then to make it irrelevant.

[ConfusedMale]

Apart from Australia and India, who does England play more than 3 tests against?