Australia v India - Page 25

Crickethare · 19th January 2021, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Greatbatch

And so ends my summer of being an Indian supporter, as a Kiwi that barracks for every team that plays Australia I'll be back to barracking for England again.

I'm already rehearsing my Barmy Army tunes for next summer, having trouble rhyming words with Labuschagne and Pucovski though.

You could try something involving "Chain" for Labuschagne and Pucovski is probably easier if you have a Northern English accent and can start with "F...offski" ?

Steveh · 19th January 2021, 15:42

This series result is highly unexpected, despite Australia's evident weaknesses. In the end, India were well-deserved winners and will be better for having to manage without Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja and Ishant.

Well done Pujara, Gill, Rahane and Pant, together with Sundar and Thakur. India certainly has a depth of talent waiting in the wings.

Sir Coolerking · 19th January 2021, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Greatbatch

And so ends my summer of being an Indian supporter, as a Kiwi that barracks for every team that plays Australia I'll be back to barracking for England again.

I'm already rehearsing my Barmy Army tunes for next summer, having trouble rhyming words with Labuschagne and Pucovski though.

I'd be surprised if the Barmy Army are allowed in. Doesn't look like Australia will reduce the 2 week quarantine in 2021.

I had pondered going (I've got loads of BA Avios to use) but won't be bothering this time.

ConfusedMale · 19th January 2021, 15:53

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Originally Posted by Chin Music

Don't know why you think it is a given that India will fail so dreadfully in England. You seem to have more batting and bowling options for the series. Yes, the ball moves off the straight in a way that it tends not to in Australia but I would have thought India would have more to offer with both bat and ball.

It is not like England doesn't have frailties in all departments. On paper Australia has a more complete attack than what England does.

I thought India would do well last time we toured, and we all know how that ended. We also saw how India fared in New Zealand in 2020. So, I don't think it is time for us to feel positive about how we'll perform in England. In India, before that, I feel more positive of our chances.

ConfusedMale · 19th January 2021, 15:54

While there is a lot of talk about how Kohli's absence helped this side, but I think what he and Shastri did with the team definitely has played a part in the fighting quality within the team.

Greatbatch · 19th January 2021, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Crickethare

You could try something involving "Chain" for Labuschagne and Pucovski is probably easier if you have a Northern English accent and can start with "F...offski" ?

Hard to beat the old classic of "he's got the sandpaper in his hands" for Warner, the Barmy Army will be rolling that one out next summer if he's still there.

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Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

I'd be surprised if the Barmy Army are allowed in. Doesn't look like Australia will reduce the 2 week quarantine in 2021.

I had pondered going (I've got loads of BA Avios to use) but won't be bothering this time.

The Barmy Army probably wouldn't mind a 2 week hotel quarantine if they had an outdoor bar and a pool where they could all get together and sing.

Wouldn't be much fun for the other guests there though.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 19th January 2021, 16:34

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Originally Posted by ConfusedMale

While there is a lot of talk about how Kohli's absence helped this side, but I think what he and Shastri did with the team definitely has played a part in the fighting quality within the team.

Is there talk in India about that? I wrote something flippantly here which was a not too well hidden dig at KP who was dropped although still being one of the best six batsmen because he was more trouble than he was worth with his “me me me me” attitude. Kohli strikes me as similar so maybe the sum can be greater than the parts?

Greatbatch · 19th January 2021, 16:45

Gavaskar said a big part of India's success in this series was the BCCI organising tours for the India A teams to give their young players experience in Australian conditions and other overseas conditions along with the IPL where they mix with overseas players.

That's why their young players like Gill, Siraj, Pant and Washington can come in and perform in Australia against Australian players straight away.

They are familiar with the conditions and the players and aren't intimidated like they might have been in the old days back when Sunny played.

Ali TT · 19th January 2021, 20:19

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Originally Posted by ConfusedMale

While there is a lot of talk about how Kohli's absence helped this side, but I think what he and Shastri did with the team definitely has played a part in the fighting quality within the team.

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Originally Posted by Greatbatch

Gavaskar said a big part of India's success in this series was the BCCI organising tours for the India A teams to give their young players experience in Australian conditions and other overseas conditions along with the IPL where they mix with overseas players.

That's why their young players like Gill, Siraj, Pant and Washington can come in and perform in Australia against Australian players straight away.

They are familiar with the conditions and the players and aren't intimidated like they might have been in the old days back when Sunny played.

Although India still lost heavily the last time they toured England, the score line flattered England a little. Other than the Lord's test, the matches were hard fought (look at the marginal differences in first innings scores). There was a marked change in the competitiveness and toughness of the Indian side, especially the bowling, compared to 2014 and 2011. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2021 vintage emerges victorious, although the back to back nature of the two series presents a new challenge for both sides.

Long Off · 19th January 2021, 20:52

Great result and highly enjoyable series. Well played India.

ConfusedMale · 20th January 2021, 12:28

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Is there talk in India about that? I wrote something flippantly here which was a not too well hidden dig at KP who was dropped although still being one of the best six batsmen because he was more trouble than he was worth with his “me me me me” attitude. Kohli strikes me as similar so maybe the sum can be greater than the parts?

Lot of people are claiming it as a victory of Rahane's captaincy, and they are all correct in claiming that. A fair amount of them, though, do it by deriding Kohli at the same time. I am not a great fan of Kohli's captaincy, or even Shastri's coaching, but they have been working together for a while, and the bloody mindedness of the team is something which I'd attribute to Kohli and Shastri as well. Where Rahane made a change was probably in staying calm out in the middle, thereby not exerting additional pressure on the fielders and bowlers. What not many spoke about is how he flattered to deceive in most innings and just couldn't convert his starts except that one century.

ConfusedMale · 20th January 2021, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Ali TT

Although India still lost heavily the last time they toured England, the score line flattered England a little. Other than the Lord's test, the matches were hard fought (look at the marginal differences in first innings scores). There was a marked change in the competitiveness and toughness of the Indian side, especially the bowling, compared to 2014 and 2011. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2021 vintage emerges victorious, although the back to back nature of the two series presents a new challenge for both sides.

The fight was definitely there during our last tour, but we didn't have the skills to counter the moving ball. From the way the likes of Shaw or Gill or even Pujara, Rahane or Kohli play, I wonder if anything much has changed. If the conditions aid swing, our batting would still struggle. Our catching too has been poor, so it might provide a lot more chance for the English batsmen. That only leaves our bowlers, and thankfully we have a decent bunch these days, so that's something to feel hopeful about.

sweatysock · 20th January 2021, 13:03

thing is that not every pitch in England is a swinger/seamer paradise and you get a bit of variety. Think India lost one match last time by not being able to cope with Moeen's spin at the Rosebowl. I tend to agree that England have an advantage if pitch favours Anderson & Broad in particular, but dont think that will be every match by any means.
I would fancy India on a flat pitch, for example as they have greater variety in bowling attack, and more batsmen who can fill their boots

MRNC4.0 · 26th January 2021, 03:37

India have provided England with a pretty handy blueprint in how to beat Australia next summer. As good as Hazelwood & Cummins are and will be, if you can blunt Lyon and attack Starc then it leaves them with too much to do. If this series went into a fifth test I think one of those two would have broken down if not played at all. On the batting front, you just need one or two who can hang around, regardless or scoring rate, and then a middle-lower order who can counter-attack and capitalize on a tiring bowling unit, which England have in Stokes/Butler etc Australia's inability to post large totals at home against a green bowling unit despite having two bats who average 60 is just kinda baffling, and will be on their minds. As spirited as India's bowlers were in that last test, surely the likes of Wood, Broad, Anderson, Archer ect will pose more questions/problems?

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19th January 2021, 15:42	#482
Steveh County Pro Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 931	This series result is highly unexpected, despite Australia's evident weaknesses. In the end, India were well-deserved winners and will be better for having to manage without Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja and Ishant. Well done Pujara, Gill, Rahane and Pant, together with Sundar and Thakur. India certainly has a depth of talent waiting in the wings.

19th January 2021, 16:45	#488
Greatbatch World Class Easy Southee Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): NZ Posts: 6,055	Gavaskar said a big part of India's success in this series was the BCCI organising tours for the India A teams to give their young players experience in Australian conditions and other overseas conditions along with the IPL where they mix with overseas players. That's why their young players like Gill, Siraj, Pant and Washington can come in and perform in Australia against Australian players straight away. They are familiar with the conditions and the players and aren't intimidated like they might have been in the old days back when Sunny played.

19th January 2021, 20:52	#490
Long Off World Class Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Brisbane Team(s): Australia Posts: 5,801	Great result and highly enjoyable series. Well played India.

20th January 2021, 13:03	#493
sweatysock Established International Join Date: Oct 2008 Team(s): Sussex & Scotland Posts: 3,992	thing is that not every pitch in England is a swinger/seamer paradise and you get a bit of variety. Think India lost one match last time by not being able to cope with Moeen's spin at the Rosebowl. I tend to agree that England have an advantage if pitch favours Anderson & Broad in particular, but dont think that will be every match by any means. I would fancy India on a flat pitch, for example as they have greater variety in bowling attack, and more batsmen who can fill their boots

26th January 2021, 03:37	#494
MRNC4.0 Established International Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Melbourne Team(s): Victoria Posts: 3,431	India have provided England with a pretty handy blueprint in how to beat Australia next summer. As good as Hazelwood & Cummins are and will be, if you can blunt Lyon and attack Starc then it leaves them with too much to do. If this series went into a fifth test I think one of those two would have broken down if not played at all. On the batting front, you just need one or two who can hang around, regardless or scoring rate, and then a middle-lower order who can counter-attack and capitalize on a tiring bowling unit, which England have in Stokes/Butler etc Australia's inability to post large totals at home against a green bowling unit despite having two bats who average 60 is just kinda baffling, and will be on their minds. As spirited as India's bowlers were in that last test, surely the likes of Wood, Broad, Anderson, Archer ect will pose more questions/problems?