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Old 3rd December 2020, 12:18   #41
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The top 5 seems to be playing more like England pre 2016, and as we know, that's not generally a recipe for success. As you say, the 302 was an over-achievement thanks to Pandya and Jadeja, but against a decent team (and the Aussies hadn't picked one), I think that would have been chased down comfortably. The strategy is not right and certainly won't win the next World Cup if they continue like this. Teams with heavy hitters will just overpower them.
Very true. I think it is fine to have Kohli play his natural game, but we need to have bigger or more effective hitters around him. If we aren't able to pick such players, then we should have some exceptional bowling talent picked. Considering the fact that we have very rarely (if at all) produced such talent, I agree with your assessment about needing bigger hitters in the team. Also, I hope we will have a captain who isn't just high on energy but who also has a fair idea about captaining.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 14:05   #42
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True. That is way more than what I was expecting around the 40-over mark. It has been nice to see some consistency from Pandya. I don't rate his bowling very highly, but it is good if we can have a batsman coming lower down the order who can be consistent.

I still expect Australia to win this in a canter.
There's no problem having Pandya as the designated all-rounder / 6th bowler the same way England use Stokes albeit batting further down the order.

It would probably be better for the team if Kohli moved down to 4 and they put a more aggressive batsman in at #3 (England have the same issue with Root) to attack in the first 10 overs, possibly just a simple swap with Iyer?
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Old 3rd December 2020, 15:30   #43
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There's no problem having Pandya as the designated all-rounder / 6th bowler the same way England use Stokes albeit batting further down the order.

It would probably be better for the team if Kohli moved down to 4 and they put a more aggressive batsman in at #3 (England have the same issue with Root) to attack in the first 10 overs, possibly just a simple swap with Iyer?
England have no issue with Root at 3 given the firepower everywhere else in that batting order.

The problem for India is largely the middle order. Iyer, Kohli and Rahul are all fairly similar batsmen, pleasant strokemakers, but no real firepower. I'd have thought someone like Samson might be a better fit for the keeper's role, less consistent, but can hit it further. And I'd be moving Pandya higher up the order too.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 22:50   #44
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This is the highest Pandya has ever batted, and it's a huge plus to see him take the responsibility at number 6. Jadeja's batting has improved a lot over the last two years, and he will definitely cement that number 7 spot, if not move higher up. There have been talks of actually moving him up to 4 and playing someone like Washington Sundar at 7, but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon.

I think all the talk about firepower is a bit much right now to be honest. Yes, these aren't batsmen who'll hit huge sixes like the ones in the English team, but batsmen like Kohli and Rahul can easily adjust their games. Rahul had brilliant SRs during the NZ series. The real problem India has is the super long tail after number 7. No proper bowling all rounder who can smash a few, maybe like Starc or Archer. Bhuvi doesn't hit them big, Shami is just outrageous. The only one I can think of is Washington Sundar, but he isn't getting in on his bowling so.
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England have no issue with Root at 3 given the firepower everywhere else in that batting order ...
There is an issue with Root at 3. If the firepower elsewhere in the order fires, unless he is out quickly or did not bat, he's liable to mean that the score is less than it should have been. If the firepower elsewhere in the order doesn't fire, the oppo is likely to win if their firepower does fire. Root is useful only if we're chasing a low total or if we otherwise we would have been all out. Even then he isn't necessarily useful -- witness his hapless innings of 7 off 30 balls in the world cup final. If Root is to be in the team, having him as the default no. 3 will often be a handicap.
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Old 4th December 2020, 08:28   #46
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England have no issue with Root at 3 given the firepower everywhere else in that batting order.
The issue for both of them is that their talents are wasted in the first power play and the big hitters would benefit with 9 fielders in the circle as well.
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The issue for both of them is that their talents are wasted in the first power play and the big hitters would benefit with 9 fielders in the circle as well.
However, ending the powerplay 3 down means you've lost your power players for later in the innings. I think he provides the right balance. When England scored 444-3 against Pakistan, Roy was out in the 6th over and Root batted for the next 31, supporting Hales and setting it up perfectly for Morgan and Buttler to go ballistic. We've not exactly lost many matches with this format have we?
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There is an issue with Root at 3. If the firepower elsewhere in the order fires, unless he is out quickly or did not bat, he's liable to mean that the score is less than it should have been. If the firepower elsewhere in the order doesn't fire, the oppo is likely to win if their firepower does fire. Root is useful only if we're chasing a low total or if we otherwise we would have been all out. Even then he isn't necessarily useful -- witness his hapless innings of 7 off 30 balls in the world cup final. If Root is to be in the team, having him as the default no. 3 will often be a handicap.
If the firepower elsewhere fires then frankly, it's not that likely we're going to get beaten is it?

How many games have we lost in the last 5 years? I tend to ignore the World Cup Final due to the horrendous nature of the pitch.
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Anyway, onto more pressing matters, we need to talk about the Aussie T20 shirt. Is it some kind of indigenous pattern?
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How is Zampa below Agar in the T20 rankings.

Class bowler. No Rashid - but class.
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If the firepower elsewhere fires then frankly, it's not that likely we're going to get beaten is it?

How many games have we lost in the last 5 years? I tend to ignore the World Cup Final due to the horrendous nature of the pitch.
Just the kind of pitch one might expect to justify the selection of Root.

It is true that despite Root being in the team, we've done pretty well in recent years, thanks to our big hitters and our bowlers. I guess if you think Root is entitled to a place as long as he doesn't cause England to lose too many matches (except the ones that are ignored), then it's fine to have him in the team. But that kind of reasoning is only applied to him -- it wouldn't be applied, for example, to Malan.
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So, India has a concussion sub for Jadeja, who had a hamstring injury, because he got hit on the head. Apparently, there was no threat of concussion when it happened, or at least there was no check done for that. This, to me, isn't something the match referee should have allowed.
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Just the kind of pitch one might expect to justify the selection of Root.

It is true that despite Root being in the team, we've done pretty well in recent years, thanks to our big hitters and our bowlers. I guess if you think Root is entitled to a place as long as he doesn't cause England to lose too many matches (except the ones that are ignored), then it's fine to have him in the team. But that kind of reasoning is only applied to him -- it wouldn't be applied, for example, to Malan.
You also appear to be ignoring some stupendous scoring that was done with Root in the team.
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So, India has a concussion sub for Jadeja, who had a hamstring injury, because he got hit on the head. Apparently, there was no threat of concussion when it happened, or at least there was no check done for that. This, to me, isn't something the match referee should have allowed.
Aussies not happy, especially as Chahal has now taken 3-25 from his 4 overs.

Expect this one to run...
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Aussies not happy, especially as Chahal has now taken 3-25 from his 4 overs.

Expect this one to run...
Particularly as there was no concussion test on the field after he was hit.
Even though there was only 4 balls left in the innings...
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So, India has a concussion sub for Jadeja, who had a hamstring injury, because he got hit on the head. Apparently, there was no threat of concussion when it happened, or at least there was no check done for that. This, to me, isn't something the match referee should have allowed.
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Particularly as there was no concussion test on the field after he was hit.
Even though there was only 4 balls left in the innings...
It was only going to be a matter of time before this rule was going to be exploited. The rule might need to be tightened up now.
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David Boon, as the match referee, approved it. That said, I definitely feel the rule has been exploited.
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Chahal got MOTM too, were they trying to wind the Aussies up a bit more?

Jadeja probably should've won it, but it would've looked even more dodgy had he come out and talked normally in an interview!!
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Langer carrying on like a ****y spoiled child to a stone faced Boon is the highlight of the tour so far. Anyway, well played India, not their fault if theres a loophole to be exploited.
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Gill & Shaw gone for ducks in the A-game which is a bit of a nightmare result for India. Rahane & Pujara will need a big partnership with not much else to come in behind them. Green looking every bit a test quality bowler troubling both batsman. Reminds me of Flintoff with his pace and lift off the wicket. A decent score with the bat will make him very hard to resist, although Langer has proven stubborn in persisting with Wade.
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