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Old 6th February 2021, 09:38   #181
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Not sure we should be worried about bowling tonight, go once go big and by big I mean 650+ if we can.
In the test in Chennai in 2016 we scored 477 and India replied with 759/7 declared before we folded in our second innings so I'd be happy to see us bat into the third day if we can.
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Old 6th February 2021, 09:41   #182
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In the test in Chennai in 2016 we scored 477 and India replied with 759/7 declared before we folded in our second innings so I'd be happy to see us bat into the third day if we can.
Unless England bowl out England for 200 or so or less, I can’t say I fancy a follow on.Would rather see them bat normally for say 45 minutes and then go for it.
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Old 6th February 2021, 09:49   #183
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I thought yesterday had gone well. Today has been ridiculously good. Root is just incredible.
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:24   #184
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That was not a great innings by pope and he just missed a straight one. But first knock of the winter and he is going to be brilliant. 90 mins of jos would be great now!
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:32   #185
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Darn it. Let’s hope that Bess and buttler don’t muck about now.

What an innings.
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:33   #186
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Root out now. 600+ looking optimistic, let's at least hope they can still pass 500
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:34   #187
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Muted end to another brilliant innings from Root.
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:34   #188
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Fantastic knock from Root. Still a shame I've never seen an England batsman get 300, maybe we need a Joe Root Pretty Double Hundred thread. Things could accelerate from here.
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Old 6th February 2021, 10:58   #189
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600 is still possible here, provided Jos and / or Bess can get a score.

I just want England to bat and bat, get as many as they can, even if it means batting into tomorrow morning.
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Old 6th February 2021, 11:03   #190
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What on earth is Dom Bess doing patting back full tosses???
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Old 6th February 2021, 11:04   #191
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... I just want England to bat and bat, get as many as they can, even if it means batting into tomorrow morning.
I don't know why there is ever any other first-innings policy, except if there's weather forecast.
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Old 6th February 2021, 11:06   #192
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I don't know why there is ever any other first-innings policy, except if there's weather forecast.
I've always thought England generally declare too early first innings and too late second.
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Old 6th February 2021, 11:07   #193
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In the test in Chennai in 2016 we scored 477 and India replied with 759/7 declared before we folded in our second innings so I'd be happy to see us bat into the third day if we can.
I came on to say much the same, around 450 with wickets in hand was a good position, but I can't see England bowling India out for much less than that so I'd say they do need to go big - as big as possible

Might now be moot-without-Root, unless Buttler can steer the tail to add another 100-150 runs which is always more possible with a batsman at one end.

Don't think yesterday I mentioned the 'omission' of Ali and Woakes, no doubt some on here will still be seeing the latter as a potential route to winning the game had he played.

Do have to wonder if Broad or maybe Stone might have been better options than Anderson, not sure Anderson unless he can get swing will do much on this track
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Old 6th February 2021, 11:08   #194
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Good to see C4 not overdoing advert breaks. I I thought they'd have one after every over.
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Ooh that was out. Unlucky India but when you've used up your reviews...
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What on earth is Dom Bess doing patting back full tosses???
Not sure he was expecting it.

May as well have a dart now - get that 600.
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It is slightly weird watching two Somerset academy products who left because their path to regular cricket was blocked by a Somerset academy product, batting together for England. Good though. It shows just what an incredible production line we have.
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I've always thought England generally declare too early first innings and too late second.
Too late in the second is more often excess caution, aiming for the "magic 400+" target when few sides manage 360+ . They also play the runs per over game, don't like to risk a feasible scoring rate even though it is often much harder batting last and sides have got to strong positions like 100/0 or maybe just 1 down and fallen away

It's the desire and confidence to win over the fear of losing, seem to recall against India that Vaughan (2007) didn't make a declaration, India escaped just and won the series..... England set 380 to win, had India 282/9 off 96 overs at the end, it isn't hindsight, England faffed around to make sure of the runs so time wasted which helped India.

England were 251/7 when Tremlett was out, added 31 further runs thereafter taking 12.1 overs to do so - and Pietersen wasn't out until nine balls from the end so not like no ooomph left in the batting. Wasn't a declaration, but if KP had got on with it or got out they wasted up to a dozen overs they might have bowled at the last Indian pair and all for the sake of pushing the target up as close to 400 as they could.....

Safety first..... If Vaughan ever comments on a captain being cautious then he's a hypocrite, well he is already but just think of such occasions when he didn't practise what he now preaches.....


The bottom line is you have to try and make dominance in a match count as much as you can. Being 450+ in front 2nd innings with 4 sessions to play counts for little if you don't force home victory and next game you might be under the cosh.

Many jump all over Flintoff for his declaration down under, that didn't cost England, a crucial dropped catch followed by pathetic batting did. And Cook was it in India when they chased 382 or something like that, I don't blame the captain, when a side chases down 360+ you just have to congratulate them on playing well (at very best a 1 in probably 100 shot scoring 360 to win batting last)
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Good leave, Buttler.
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Not the best leave from Jos.

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Too late in the second is more often excess caution, aiming for the "magic 400+" target when few sides manage 360+ . They also play the runs per over game, don't like to risk a feasible scoring rate even though it is often much harder batting last and sides have got to strong positions like 100/0 or maybe just 1 down and fallen away
Possibly they do but I think they use different maths form me...Doesn't look like it's going to matter now.
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