India v England First Test Chennai Feb 5th-9th - Page 3

Rebelstar · 4th February 2021, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Aidan11

Is there a prize on Twitter today for getting Government Covid slogans into their tweets?

like slips 2m apart.............

mustardcharlie · 4th February 2021, 19:27

Still think the real question is whether Stokes can give us 10-15 overs a day.

sanskritsimon · 4th February 2021, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

They both have ten first class tons and woakes has a test ton vs India. It is not as obvious as you might think. Yes woakes has played more first class innings but removing the tests he has 9 tons in 164 innings compared to 10 in about 120 for Lawrence. Remember Lawrence will have more opportunities to score tons because he usually bats higher.

This is all about a balance. How much will stokes bowl?

Speaking of stokes. Do you think Lawrence will score more than him or are we not counting stokes as an all rounder?

I don't think it is about balance at all. If the plan was to have Crawley at 3 then the way to keep that balance is to replace him with a batsman. Stokes is in the XI anyway so he's not one of the all-rounders who could be picked in place of Crawley.

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Why do we care about the next few years? It does my head in. Let’s pick the team most likely to win the match. So what contributes more to a win. Woakes or moeen batting and bowling or Lawrence batting? The debate is whether Lawrence will score that many more runs that it justifies losing a potential bowling option.

I don't think Woakes's bowling would contribute because there will already be 3 seamers picked ahead of him -- that's plenty even if we lose the toss and the pitch helps the seamers for the first hour. Moeen's bowling might contribute, but if he's going to bowl better than Bess he should be in the XI anyway, not as a last-minute replacement for the missing #3. Replacing Crawley with a batsman doesn't lose a potential bowling option. Replacing him with an all-rounder adds a bowling option, but it is likely to be an unnecessary and inferior one. If they wanted a sixth bowler they wouldn't have been planning to have Crawley at 3 in the first place.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 4th February 2021, 20:25

But is Lawrence going to score more runs anyway? I didn’t see much that made me think he would. A good innings in Sri Lanka but gave several chances. If he is not likely to score many more runs then you have to consider everything else.

On the flip side it would be like a bowler getting injured and if there was an inferior bowler you just pick him when their is a different bowler who is probably as good but is a very good batsman. He bring more to the team. Yes the original plan has changed but if personnel change then surely plans change too. You look at the best way of winning the match.

We say we will have three seamers but how much bowling will stokes do? It might be better for the series to have an extra bowler as an option which might help stokes bowl better and bat better too.

You see. It is not as simple as just swapping like for like.

sanskritsimon · 4th February 2021, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

... You see. It is not as simple as just swapping like for like.

I think what I see is that even if Crawley were fit you would probably have Woakes or Moeen in the team in place of him or Pope.

Do you think Stokes is injured?

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 5th February 2021, 00:31

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Originally Posted by sanskritsimon

I think what I see is that even if Crawley were fit you would probably have Woakes or Moeen in the team in place of him or Pope.

Do you think Stokes is injured?

No I just think that now he is one of our best batsmen we should use him less as a bowler. Look after him like the saffers did kallis

mustardcharlie · 5th February 2021, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

No I just think that now he is one of our best batsmen we should use him less as a bowler. Look after him like the saffers did kallis

Yes but the Saffers always knew that they could get a few overs out of Kallis if necessary.

Burns
Sibley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Moeen
Bess
Leach
Broad
Archer

Prince of Denmark · 5th February 2021, 02:12

I'm a bit confused by this business with Buttler. Is he going home after this match? I'm sure that's what was reported a while ago but I haven't been paying much attention recently. That seems a really odd strategy. Why wasn't he rested for the Sri Lanka tour if he needed a break? He's clearly the selectors first preference as keeper/batsman, having nailed the role for the foreseeable future last summer. It's putting Foakes in a really odd position, effectively telling him "you're not good enough to play in this match, but we'll need you for the next three".

ConfusedMale · 5th February 2021, 03:04

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Originally Posted by gmdf

Burns (who missed SL) is back, so will open with Sibley.

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Originally Posted by square leg umpire

Crawley opened but he's not really an opener. Wouldn't like him to open against a side with a good new ball attack.

Thank you both!

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Originally Posted by mustardcharlie

Irrelevant to this thread shurely

I'd think it is quite relevant, considering the guy was talking about the ball that was going to be used for the test match starting today. You see, for that Swamy guy, home series is the one happening in India, not when India tours England.

ConfusedMale · 5th February 2021, 03:07

I hope that Buttler is going to keep, because that could negate the gifts provided by Pant. In SC pitches, where the bounce would be low, the ball wouldn't come on and you'd be standing up to the stumps, you need wicketkeepers who'd stay down longer and have better technique. I think Foakes would be a better choice behind the stumps, but I guess England would prefer having Buttler there so that they can add another batsman. As a batsman, though, Buttler could be the thorn in our flesh.

AJ101 · 5th February 2021, 04:53

England win the toss and bat first. Not sure if we're playing with X or XI as Root couldn't remember that Ollie Pope came back in when asked.

Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler, Bess, Archer, Leach, Anderson

Sharma, Gill, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Pant, Sundar, Ashwin, Nadeem, Sharma, Bumrah

Prince of Denmark · 5th February 2021, 05:04

Sir Alastair getting the superlatives in early on punditry duty, suggesting that his successor as captain is "probably England's greatest ever batsman". I get the feeling I'm going to find him quite irritating by the Fourth Test.

Michelle Fivefer · 5th February 2021, 05:07

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Originally Posted by Prince of Denmark

Sir Alastair getting the superlatives in early on punditry duty, suggesting that his successor as captain is "probably England's greatest ever batsman". I get the feeling I'm going to find him quite irritating by the Fourth Test.

... Took me less than four minutes.

And to add to the enjoyment, we have Nick Knight on commentary.

sanskritsimon · 5th February 2021, 05:13

Watching test cricket again on real telly!

I never thought I'd see the day.

sanskritsimon · 5th February 2021, 06:33

50 up for no loss ... both batsmen moving their feet nicely.

sanskritsimon · 5th February 2021, 06:49

First reverse sweep, first wicket. Burns out!

AJ101 · 5th February 2021, 06:49

Burns gives it away after doing so much hard work.

Psyduck · 5th February 2021, 06:53

Very solid start from the England openers until a complete brainfart from Burns gifts Ashwin a wicket. Straight out of the Sri Lanka playbook from day one at Galle.

Psyduck · 5th February 2021, 06:58

This is exactly why you don’t spunk your wicket away having got to 30.

ConfusedMale · 5th February 2021, 07:00

And another - this is typical cricket in subcontinent where a fall of wicket can quickly lead to 1 or 2 more.

4th February 2021, 19:27	#42
mustardcharlie World Class You know there ain't no devil: It's just God when he's drun Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bedfordshire Team(s): Yorkshire, England, LUFC, Otley RFC. Age: 68 Posts: 5,377	Still think the real question is whether Stokes can give us 10-15 overs a day. __________________ Answers 3d Answers (requiring thought) 6d Answers (correct) 1s

5th February 2021, 03:07	#50
ConfusedMale Established International Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bangalore Team(s): India Posts: 3,881	I hope that Buttler is going to keep, because that could negate the gifts provided by Pant. In SC pitches, where the bounce would be low, the ball wouldn't come on and you'd be standing up to the stumps, you need wicketkeepers who'd stay down longer and have better technique. I think Foakes would be a better choice behind the stumps, but I guess England would prefer having Buttler there so that they can add another batsman. As a batsman, though, Buttler could be the thorn in our flesh. __________________ A quote is quotable depending on who you are and not what you say

5th February 2021, 07:00	#60
ConfusedMale Established International Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bangalore Team(s): India Posts: 3,881	And another - this is typical cricket in subcontinent where a fall of wicket can quickly lead to 1 or 2 more. __________________ A quote is quotable depending on who you are and not what you say

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4th February 2021, 20:25	#44
Sir Virgs and Zamora Posting God Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 27,442	But is Lawrence going to score more runs anyway? I didn’t see much that made me think he would. A good innings in Sri Lanka but gave several chances. If he is not likely to score many more runs then you have to consider everything else. On the flip side it would be like a bowler getting injured and if there was an inferior bowler you just pick him when their is a different bowler who is probably as good but is a very good batsman. He bring more to the team. Yes the original plan has changed but if personnel change then surely plans change too. You look at the best way of winning the match. We say we will have three seamers but how much bowling will stokes do? It might be better for the series to have an extra bowler as an option which might help stokes bowl better and bat better too. You see. It is not as simple as just swapping like for like.

5th February 2021, 02:12	#48
Prince of Denmark International Cricketer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bermondsey Team(s): Surrey CCC, Dulwich Hamlet FC, England Age: 55 Posts: 2,688	I'm a bit confused by this business with Buttler. Is he going home after this match? I'm sure that's what was reported a while ago but I haven't been paying much attention recently. That seems a really odd strategy. Why wasn't he rested for the Sri Lanka tour if he needed a break? He's clearly the selectors first preference as keeper/batsman, having nailed the role for the foreseeable future last summer. It's putting Foakes in a really odd position, effectively telling him "you're not good enough to play in this match, but we'll need you for the next three".

5th February 2021, 04:53	#51
AJ101 Established International Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 3,149	England win the toss and bat first. Not sure if we're playing with X or XI as Root couldn't remember that Ollie Pope came back in when asked. Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler, Bess, Archer, Leach, Anderson Sharma, Gill, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Pant, Sundar, Ashwin, Nadeem, Sharma, Bumrah

5th February 2021, 05:04	#52
Prince of Denmark International Cricketer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bermondsey Team(s): Surrey CCC, Dulwich Hamlet FC, England Age: 55 Posts: 2,688	Sir Alastair getting the superlatives in early on punditry duty, suggesting that his successor as captain is "probably England's greatest ever batsman". I get the feeling I'm going to find him quite irritating by the Fourth Test.

5th February 2021, 05:13	#54
sanskritsimon Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals Posts: 12,213	Watching test cricket again on real telly! I never thought I'd see the day.

5th February 2021, 06:33	#55
sanskritsimon Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals Posts: 12,213	50 up for no loss ... both batsmen moving their feet nicely.

5th February 2021, 06:49	#56
sanskritsimon Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals Posts: 12,213	First reverse sweep, first wicket. Burns out!

5th February 2021, 06:53	#58
Psyduck Posting God Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Manchester Team(s): England, Lancashire, Man Utd Posts: 17,702	Very solid start from the England openers until a complete brainfart from Burns gifts Ashwin a wicket. Straight out of the Sri Lanka playbook from day one at Galle.

5th February 2021, 06:58	#59
Psyduck Posting God Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Manchester Team(s): England, Lancashire, Man Utd Posts: 17,702	This is exactly why you don’t spunk your wicket away having got to 30.