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Old 4th February 2021, 19:14   #41
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Old 4th February 2021, 19:27   #42
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Still think the real question is whether Stokes can give us 10-15 overs a day.
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Old 4th February 2021, 19:37   #43
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They both have ten first class tons and woakes has a test ton vs India. It is not as obvious as you might think. Yes woakes has played more first class innings but removing the tests he has 9 tons in 164 innings compared to 10 in about 120 for Lawrence. Remember Lawrence will have more opportunities to score tons because he usually bats higher.

This is all about a balance. How much will stokes bowl?

Speaking of stokes. Do you think Lawrence will score more than him or are we not counting stokes as an all rounder?
I don't think it is about balance at all. If the plan was to have Crawley at 3 then the way to keep that balance is to replace him with a batsman. Stokes is in the XI anyway so he's not one of the all-rounders who could be picked in place of Crawley.

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Why do we care about the next few years? It does my head in. Let’s pick the team most likely to win the match. So what contributes more to a win. Woakes or moeen batting and bowling or Lawrence batting? The debate is whether Lawrence will score that many more runs that it justifies losing a potential bowling option.
I don't think Woakes's bowling would contribute because there will already be 3 seamers picked ahead of him -- that's plenty even if we lose the toss and the pitch helps the seamers for the first hour. Moeen's bowling might contribute, but if he's going to bowl better than Bess he should be in the XI anyway, not as a last-minute replacement for the missing #3. Replacing Crawley with a batsman doesn't lose a potential bowling option. Replacing him with an all-rounder adds a bowling option, but it is likely to be an unnecessary and inferior one. If they wanted a sixth bowler they wouldn't have been planning to have Crawley at 3 in the first place.
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Old 4th February 2021, 20:25   #44
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But is Lawrence going to score more runs anyway? I didn’t see much that made me think he would. A good innings in Sri Lanka but gave several chances. If he is not likely to score many more runs then you have to consider everything else.

On the flip side it would be like a bowler getting injured and if there was an inferior bowler you just pick him when their is a different bowler who is probably as good but is a very good batsman. He bring more to the team. Yes the original plan has changed but if personnel change then surely plans change too. You look at the best way of winning the match.

We say we will have three seamers but how much bowling will stokes do? It might be better for the series to have an extra bowler as an option which might help stokes bowl better and bat better too.

You see. It is not as simple as just swapping like for like.
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Old 4th February 2021, 20:58   #45
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... You see. It is not as simple as just swapping like for like.
I think what I see is that even if Crawley were fit you would probably have Woakes or Moeen in the team in place of him or Pope.

Do you think Stokes is injured?
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Old 5th February 2021, 00:31   #46
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I think what I see is that even if Crawley were fit you would probably have Woakes or Moeen in the team in place of him or Pope.

Do you think Stokes is injured?
No I just think that now he is one of our best batsmen we should use him less as a bowler. Look after him like the saffers did kallis
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No I just think that now he is one of our best batsmen we should use him less as a bowler. Look after him like the saffers did kallis

Yes but the Saffers always knew that they could get a few overs out of Kallis if necessary.





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I'm a bit confused by this business with Buttler. Is he going home after this match? I'm sure that's what was reported a while ago but I haven't been paying much attention recently. That seems a really odd strategy. Why wasn't he rested for the Sri Lanka tour if he needed a break? He's clearly the selectors first preference as keeper/batsman, having nailed the role for the foreseeable future last summer. It's putting Foakes in a really odd position, effectively telling him "you're not good enough to play in this match, but we'll need you for the next three".
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Burns (who missed SL) is back, so will open with Sibley.
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Irrelevant to this thread shurely
I'd think it is quite relevant, considering the guy was talking about the ball that was going to be used for the test match starting today. You see, for that Swamy guy, home series is the one happening in India, not when India tours England.
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I hope that Buttler is going to keep, because that could negate the gifts provided by Pant. In SC pitches, where the bounce would be low, the ball wouldn't come on and you'd be standing up to the stumps, you need wicketkeepers who'd stay down longer and have better technique. I think Foakes would be a better choice behind the stumps, but I guess England would prefer having Buttler there so that they can add another batsman. As a batsman, though, Buttler could be the thorn in our flesh.
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England win the toss and bat first. Not sure if we're playing with X or XI as Root couldn't remember that Ollie Pope came back in when asked.

Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler, Bess, Archer, Leach, Anderson

Sharma, Gill, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Pant, Sundar, Ashwin, Nadeem, Sharma, Bumrah
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Sir Alastair getting the superlatives in early on punditry duty, suggesting that his successor as captain is "probably England's greatest ever batsman". I get the feeling I'm going to find him quite irritating by the Fourth Test.
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Sir Alastair getting the superlatives in early on punditry duty, suggesting that his successor as captain is "probably England's greatest ever batsman". I get the feeling I'm going to find him quite irritating by the Fourth Test.
... Took me less than four minutes.

And to add to the enjoyment, we have Nick Knight on commentary.
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50 up for no loss ... both batsmen moving their feet nicely.
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First reverse sweep, first wicket. Burns out!
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Old 5th February 2021, 06:49   #57
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Burns gives it away after doing so much hard work.
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Very solid start from the England openers until a complete brainfart from Burns gifts Ashwin a wicket. Straight out of the Sri Lanka playbook from day one at Galle.
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This is exactly why you don’t spunk your wicket away having got to 30.
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And another - this is typical cricket in subcontinent where a fall of wicket can quickly lead to 1 or 2 more.
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