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Old 12th February 2021, 20:41   #81
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The England spin conundrum is an odd one. Leach has some issues in his game,namely a lack of threat on day one and two pitches and an inability to counter aggressive left handers and still hasn't really found peak consistency.

Bess is now dropped despite statistically having had a good year. It became apparent in that second innings though that perhaps the luck was running out. On average a full toss every 8 deliveries in his last innings which is bizarre for a finger spinner (a bit like a professional dart player hitting 16 aiming for treble 19) and that could have been match critical without Jimmy's heroics. He's got a decent cricketing brain, and the overspin he generates (along with some batting nous) might still make him England's spinner of choice down under, but there seems to be some technical flaws that cause this alarming amount of full tosses and general inconsistency.

Moeen is probably the best offie currently available. He is worryingly up and down though. I hope being the second spinner relaxes him a bit.
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Old 12th February 2021, 20:50   #82
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I think the decision to recall Moeen is a huge gamble. Mo at his best is a much better batsman and bowler than Bess but it’s been an awful long time since he’s been at his best in either discipline. To expect him to make an impact on the back of no meaningful cricket for about 18 months seems very far fetched. I think Woakes will get the nod ahead of Stone.
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Old 12th February 2021, 21:31   #83
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Think that was generals, rather than soldiers MF. He also said "God is not on the side of the big battalions but on the side of the best shots"


No, it was Voltaire who said the best shots one.

Generals are soldiers, aren't they?? But i accept the correction.
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Old 12th February 2021, 21:57   #84
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I think the decision to recall Moeen is a huge gamble. Mo at his best is a much better batsman and bowler than Bess but itís been an awful long time since heís been at his best in either discipline. To expect him to make an impact on the back of no meaningful cricket for about 18 months seems very far fetched. I think Woakes will get the nod ahead of Stone.
Rather a contradiction in terms in the first part. None one of them have had much cricket at all, so what better to have a player in the team with a lot of experience in India. I would have played Mo instead of Lawrence or Pope. That would have been a gamble, but hey, I had Eng to win the first test at 15/2 and am now £50 better off, sadly with no obliging publican to share in my good fortune (: To pick an experienced player rather a relative newbie is conservative, rather than a gamble.
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Old 12th February 2021, 22:15   #85
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No, it was Voltaire who said the best shots one.

Generals are soldiers, aren't they?? But i accept the correction.
I too should have remembered that. Apologies on my part too. Generals are the guys that get soldiers killed. To continue the military analogy though, we must stand and fight. A lot of our troops are green as spring lettuce.
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Old 12th February 2021, 23:46   #86
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Anyway, I shall be up and going at 3 am, so I'd best get some sleep. Anyone else around?
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Interesting article in the Telegraph on "expected average" - probably explains Bess's dropping.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...er-benefitted/

Expected average is most useful when directly comparing how two bowlers bowled in the same games. Consider the performances of Dom Bess and Jack Leach in Sri Lanka. Bessís 12 wickets at 21.3 dwarfed Leachís 10 at 35.5 apiece, seeming to endorse his role as Englandís first spinner.

Yet it was revealing that Root did not use the two according to this hierarchy: Leach was entrusted with 25 more overs across the two Tests.

The verdict from expected wickets endorses Rootís approach and indeed the eye test: Bess returned an expected average of 35.9 in the series, nine more than Leachís 26.9.
This is the sort of analytics I was talking about that must exist in the same way they do for football and why the Brighton hierarchy didnít lose faith with potter. We still need a proper striker though!
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This is the sort of analytics I was talking about that must exist in the same way they do for football and why the Brighton hierarchy didnít lose faith with potter. We still need a proper striker though!
Iíd say itís more baseball than footie.

Wonder if this ďexpected averageĒ data is available to yer average punter - as per baseball and emerging in football ??
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Oh well. Let’s hope that toss is not as important as the first test. It would be heck of a win from here! Come on boys.
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It sounds like only one day of good batting this time, possibly two.

Kohli: It's a good wicket and day one is going to be pretty good for batting and we expect the pitch to get roughed up drastically from day two onwards.
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Stone rather than Woakes, got to hope for big runs from Englands top order again.

1 Rohit Sharma, 2 Shubman Gill, 3 Cheteshwar Pujara, 4 Virat Kohli (capt), 5 Ajinkya Rahane, 6 Rishabh Pant (wk), 7 Axar Patel, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Kuldeep Yadav, 10 Ishant Sharma, 11 Mohammed Siraj

1 Rory Burns, 2 Dom Sibley, 3 Dan Lawrence, 4 Joe Root (capt), 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Ollie Pope, 7 Ben Foakes (wk), 8 Moeen Ali, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 Olly Stone, 11 Jack Leach.
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Old 13th February 2021, 05:09   #92
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Yes Olly stone. What a start. Come on England.
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Interesting he is only bowling at 130 kph - looks sharper. Wonderful start. I am going to struggle going back to sleep but I really need to get some!
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It sounds like only one day of good batting this time, possibly two.

Kohli: It's a good wicket and day one is going to be pretty good for batting and we expect the pitch to get roughed up drastically from day two onwards.
That one hardly bounced from broad in the third over. Maybe this pitch wonít be great today either. It must be so dry. Letís hope leach and moeen can spin it from day one!
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I can't see this game going 5 days, unless their a couple of days of rain.

Awful review from England.
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What was that review by leach and foakes? Terrible.
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Old 13th February 2021, 06:03   #97
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I suspect this is going to be a game you win with the toss.
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Excellent start from Stone. Not so good from Broad and Stokes.
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Old 13th February 2021, 06:16   #99
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Leach bowled a brilliant over to rohit where he so nearly got him out but didn’t quite carry to slip. Next over is a pie factory.

Rohit going huge here. He makes it look so easy.
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Moeen get Kohli.
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