Bowlers and Bowling

[Fatslogger]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

When do we play two spinners in England. We didn't even do it in Sri Lanka. I wonder if he had been drinking when he wrote the article.

Frankly he just has no idea. I think that's the best way to look at it. Occasionally he comes up with something a bit odd but interesting but mostly he's just hopelessly wrong.

[Aidan11]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

Well here's something to lift Harmison's spirits in The Mirror today -

Harmy's Finished.

Steve Harmison's future as an England bowler has been written off by Australian pace legend Jeff Thompson. Durham star Harmison is gradually making his way back to the form he was in when he was rated the world's No. 1 bowler.

But Thommo, who along with Dennis Lillee formed one of the great opening bowling partnerships three decades ago is far from convinced.

The last time Harmison was in Australia, he bowled the first ball of the 2006-07 Ashes campagin and it ended up in the hands of England captain Andrew Flintoff at second slip.

And Thomson 57, does not believe things will get much better when England open their tour of New Zealand next month.

Steve Harmison is the most inaccurate fast bowler I have ever seen, Thomson told Sunday Mirror Sport.

He's got no future in the game because he doesn't know where the ball is going.

Yes he has got ability, but there is nothing between his ears and he's just not up to it mentally.

Asked if he had any advice to rectify Harmison's wayward radar, Thomson who took 200 Test wickets at 28.00 for Australia, rapped I couldn't care less - he a Pom.

LOUDMOUTH AUSSIE DISSES ENGLISH BOWLER. SHOCK

[1000yardstare]

How will that affect Harmison?

For Botham Harmison was a god but lately there hasn't been a peep out of him. He was even saying a recent England bowling attack was the best he'd seen since 2005. He does talk some rubbish but he was always Harmison's biggest supporter. Will he come out and defend him?

The MRF Pace Foundation in India think that if England sent him over there they would sort him out in a week but it is articles like this one maybe that would keep setting him back.

[Michelle Fivefer]

Originally Posted by Aidan11

LOUDMOUTH AUSSIE DISSES ENGLISH BOWLER. SHOCK

I'm a little suspicious that he is saying this now that Harmison has come into a bit of form. Throughout the time when Harmy has been bowling 95% dross, other teams have queued up to tell us that he is the bowler they most fear and England would be mad to leave him out.

[1000yardstare]

Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

I'm a little suspicious that he is saying this now that Harmison has come into a bit of form. Throughout the time when Harmy has been bowling 95% dross, other teams have queued up to tell us that he is the bowler they most fear and England would be mad to leave him out.

Yes it is just a bit of form - about 5 overs in Sri Lanka. I think those days of Harmison being the bowler sides feared the most have gone. Usually batsmen can't play him as they don't know where the next ball is going so he will always be an economical bowler. In Sri Lanka Murali and Jayasuriya were very wary of Hoggard before the series started. There was no mention of Harmison. It could just be the commentators and England's batsmen in the nets that fear Harmison's bowling.

[sharky]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

How will that affect Harmison?

For Botham Harmison was a god but lately there hasn't been a peep out of him. He was even saying a recent England bowling attack was the best he'd seen since 2005. He does talk some rubbish but he was always Harmison's biggest supporter. Will he come out and defend him?

The MRF Pace Foundation in India think that if England sent him over there they would sort him out in a week but it is articles like this one maybe that would keep setting him back.

If Harmison had any sense he'd borrow Botham's 'How many Test wickets did you get'

[Michelle Fivefer]

Originally Posted by sharky

If Harmison had any sense he'd borrow Botham's 'How many Test wickets did you get'

He's nearly there already, given his mantra "I've got over 200 test wickets so I've got nothing to prove".

[1000yardstare]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/d...764171156.html

So who would Cooley leave out. Tait will just have to wait for injuries. As for the Indians having the best swing bowlers in the world - it did look that way when Khan and RP Singh were bowling against us earlier this year. How many genuine swing bowlers are there at the moment? About 15? Who are they?

[High Druid Nathan Barley]

Originally Posted by zxb

Short memory?

I was drawn to a nearby video. Oh dear Freddie. Dwayne appears to be around. Are you?

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/d...764171156.html

So who would Cooley leave out. Tait will just have to wait for injuries. As for the Indians having the best swing bowlers in the world - it did look that way when Khan and RP Singh were bowling against us earlier this year. How many genuine swing bowlers are there at the moment? About 15? Who are they?

Aside from RP, Pathan and Zaheer, we have Hoggy and SiBo, Aus have Hilfenhaus, NZ have Martin, WI have Colleymore. Those are ones that spring to mind immediately.

[Shortofalength]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

Well here's something to lift Harmison's spirits in The Mirror today -

Harmy's Finished.

Steve Harmison's future as an England bowler has been written off by Australian pace legend Jeff Thompson. Durham star Harmison is gradually making his way back to the form he was in when he was rated the world's No. 1 bowler.

But Thommo, who along with Dennis Lillee formed one of the great opening bowling partnerships three decades ago is far from convinced.

The last time Harmison was in Australia, he bowled the first ball of the 2006-07 Ashes campagin and it ended up in the hands of England captain Andrew Flintoff at second slip.

And Thomson 57, does not believe things will get much better when England open their tour of New Zealand next month.

Steve Harmison is the most inaccurate fast bowler I have ever seen, Thomson told Sunday Mirror Sport.

He's got no future in the game because he doesn't know where the ball is going.

Yes he has got ability, but there is nothing between his ears and he's just not up to it mentally.

Asked if he had any advice to rectify Harmison's wayward radar, Thomson who took 200 Test wickets at 28.00 for Australia, rapped I couldn't care less - he a Pom.

Short memories, these ex-Aussie fast bowlers.

He'd do well to remember that it's only recently Brett Lee has learnt to bowl a decent length, and until he did he regularly went round the park (The Oval 2005 springs to mind). He'd also do well to remember Shaun Tait's 2-game spell for Durham in 2004. Combined figures for the 2 games 18-0-179-1. That's deadly accurate, isn't it Thommo?

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Shortofalength

Short memories, these ex-Aussie fast bowlers.

He'd do well to remember that it's only recently Brett Lee has learnt to bowl a decent length, and until he did he regularly went round the park (The Oval 2005 springs to mind). He'd also do well to remember Shaun Tait's 2-game spell for Durham in 2004. Combined figures for the 2 games 18-0-179-1. That's deadly accurate, isn't it Thommo?

I dont think he even got a 1

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by Kim

I dont think he even got a 1

Would actually also be selective amnesia to remember Tait's most recent game as well. Granted that the waca wasn't at its quickest but it wasn't that slow either and he still bowled like a drain.

[Michelle Fivefer]

Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

Maybe it's because they've just beaten Australia (and beat us!) but India seems to have a great selection of bowlers at the moment, and each bowler brings something different to the party. And Sharma's emergence is very exciting.

He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by Chin Music

Aside from RP, Pathan and Zaheer, we have Hoggy and SiBo, Aus have Hilfenhaus, NZ have Martin, WI have Colleymore. Those are ones that spring to mind immediately.

Hilfenhaus hasn't swung the ball that much this year in domestic cricket.

Steyn seems to have swung it both ways recently.

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by Midnight

Hilfenhaus hasn't swung the ball that much this year in domestic cricket.

Steyn seems to have swung it both ways recently.

I wouldn't describe Steyn as a specialist swinger, he obviously is a speed through the air man. Hilfenhaus from what I've seen so far (albeit rather limitedly) seems to be an away swing specialist. I caught a couple of highlights shows in India that showed Aussie domestic ODs and the Tassies were shown. Obviously the only other times I've seen Hilf was in ODIs/T20.

[Aidan11]

Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.

There's a phrase I never thought I'd see on here

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

He's got Mark Nicholas excited as well.

A very good article as well, exceedingly well balanced.

[otto nothling]

Originally Posted by High Druid Nathan Barley

I was drawn to a nearby video. Oh dear Freddie. Dwayne appears to be around. Are you?

yes indeed dude,that video also had me give a quiet chuckle as well,as in flintoff not been around for bravo,classic!

[Chin Music]

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

http://www.cricketnext.com/news/engl.../29123-13.html

Mr Cricket's opinion of the best bowlers.

It really would be interesting to see who would be the first choice Indian attack. My feeling is that RP, Zaheer and Sree would be just that come rain or shine with of course Kumble for the spinning berth. But their great advantage is that they have to perform or they're out the team. At the moment even if England had a first choice line up of say Hoggard, Harmison and Flintoff with Monty as the spinner (look don't ask me to go into the 4-5 bowler issue we simply don't have the batting at the mo) no-one is breaking down doors to replace any one of them, not even Stuart Broad at the moment.

SA has good strength especially with the emergence of Steyn as someone who looks world class, but its hard to judge them on their last 2 series against very weak batting line-ups but they are well balanced by having as a 5th bowler in Kallis who is clearly better than a mere part-timer like Collingwood and gives the full timers the chance to rest. Not sure about Nel or Ntini these days, though, but Harris has been a boost to them, though I'd be suprised if he did that well in India.