ICC Awards - Page 9

right_arm_over · 6th October 2010, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Lizzy

Amir has been cut from the awards.

I'd be surprised if that had happened without agreement from all parties. It would have attracted the wrong kind of attention.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 6th October 2010, 17:40

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/conte...ry/480072.html

We got two in the Test Team of the Year

Virenda Sehwag
Simon Katich
Hashim Amla
Sachin Tendulkar
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakkara
MS Dhoni
Graeme Swann
Dale Steyn
Doug Bollinger
James Anderson

England would thrash that team in a test series in England.

Michelle Fivefer · 6th October 2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Chiva

Surprise, surprise, batsmen win all the awards. I honestly felt that Swann, for a mixture of character, charisma, quality and guile, was the cricketer of the year. I think it should be about more than just churning out figures - it's about being somebody who made a great contribution to cricket in all areas. Swann did more for off-spin and bowling in general in the year than others did for their respective art forms - in my admittedly very humble opinion. However, his original non-inclusion told everyone straight away that he had no chance. He probably wasn't Indian enough.

I was misled by 5Live who announced that Swann had been passed over for Virender Sehwag. Bit confused to switch on the computer and find that the cricketer of the year is Tendulkar - the award all the fuss was about after Swann's original omission. He was robbed. I suspect a sense that time was running out for Tendulkar, who has never won the award before and can't go on forever. Sehwag had a better test match year than Sachin so took the test match award but Swann was the outstanding cricketer in all formats and should have won.

And what's that people's vote about? I don't recall being asked for mine.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 6th October 2010, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

I was misled by 5Live who announced that Swann had been passed over for Virender Sehwag. Bit confused to switch on the computer and find that the cricketer of the year is Tendulkar - the award all the fuss was about after Swann's original omission. He was robbed. I suspect a sense that time was running out for Tendulkar, who has never won the award before and can't go on forever. Sehwag had a better test match year than Sachin so took the test match award but Swann was the outstanding cricketer in all formats and should have won.

And what's that people's vote about? I don't recall being asked for mine.

Tendulkar was basically a "lifetime achievement award" - a bit like Giggs getting BBC SPOTY.

They should rename these the "IPL stars" cricket awards.

Aidan11 · 6th October 2010, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

England would thrash that team in a test series in England.

It wouldn't be given test status.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 6th October 2010, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Aidan11

It wouldn't be given test status.

Tickets would be test prices though

Michelle Fivefer · 6th October 2010, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Tendulkar was basically a "lifetime achievement award" - a bit like Giggs getting BBC SPOTY.

They should rename these the "IPL stars" cricket awards.

Yes, that's what I feel. There's nothing to stop them including a special lifetime achievement award when the occasion suits. They do it at the Oscars.

The same old players (emphasis on "old") get the awards year after year. I think the adjudication panel needs a shake up. I presume it isn't the same panel as the one that made the original cock up with the long lists.

If there is likely to be a batsman bias why don't they have awards for test batsman, test bowler etc. ?

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 6th October 2010, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

Yes, that's what I feel. There's nothing to stop them including a special lifetime achievement award when the occasion suits. They do it at the Oscars.

The same old players (emphasis on "old") get the awards year after year. I think the adjudication panel needs a shake up. I presume it isn't the same panel as the one that made the original cock up with the long lists.

If there is likely to be a batsman bias why don't they have awards for test batsman, test bowler etc. ?

Prime example - Daniel Vettori in the ODI team of the year over Swann - come on FFS.

ddb · 6th October 2010, 19:11

During the period under consideration for the award - August 24, 2009 to August 10, 2010 :

6 hundreds in 10 tests for Sachin against SA, SL and Bangla with 2 hundreds against each country, average of 80 something although he played SL too many times. 1000 runs in a year.

Swanny the GOD meanwhile 6 five fors with a bowling average of 27 in 10 tests with games against Pakistan, SA and Bangladesh with 3 five fors against Bangladesh playing them 4 times in the period(!), 2 five fors against SA and 1 against Pakistan.

One day wise, Swann did amazing apart from the Champs trophy and the SA tour where he wasnt that good. Most his games were played in England though. Sachin played most in India as well.

Swann's no doubt been very good in one day cricket and when comparing him with Sachin directly Swann's probably had more impact on the results although Sachin scored a 200 in an ODI something no one will repeat for ages. Test wise with Swann facing Bangladesh so much and only averaging 27 and then playing an awful pakistan batting line up in those first two tests, Sachin's performances have been much better in tests

plus he's Indian of course and that's why Sachin's year > Swann's.

ChivaIsDead · 6th October 2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Prime example - Daniel Vettori in the ODI team of the year over Swann - come on FFS.

Vettori was still a fair call. Took a wicket in all bar one game (where his figures were 0/25) and never went at more than 4.5 runs an over. A startlingly consistent one-day bowler. Shakib and Swann would have been equally fair calls though. Shakib for doing a job on his own at times, Swann for consistent displays of attacking off-spin.

**Chin Music** · 6th October 2010, 20:19

Funnily enough I was going to do a post defending SRT's claims on the crown, however after all my hard work it is ******* DDB who does the bloody business!*

*Except for that last line, but I'll let you off.

Michelle Fivefer · 6th October 2010, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Chin Music

Funnily enough I was going to do a post defending SRT's claims on the crown, however after all my hard work it is ******* DDB who does the bloody business!*

*Except for that last line, but I'll let you off.

Actually after my earlier post my attention was drawn to Tendulkar's one day performances and I have to agree that he had a pretty impressive year so perhaps the judges were right.

Minor Maggie · 6th October 2010, 23:00

Good to see Jimmy and Swanny in the test team. Shame about the batsmen!

Apex · 7th October 2010, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Tendulkar was basically a "lifetime achievement award" - a bit like Giggs getting BBC SPOTY.

They should rename these the "IPL stars" cricket awards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

Yes, that's what I feel. There's nothing to stop them including a special lifetime achievement award when the occasion suits. They do it at the Oscars.

The same old players (emphasis on "old") get the awards year after year. I think the adjudication panel needs a shake up. I presume it isn't the same panel as the one that made the original cock up with the long lists.

If there is likely to be a batsman bias why don't they have awards for test batsman, test bowler etc. ?

Brits moaning.

So what's new?

ddb · 7th October 2010, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Apoc

Brits ~~moaning~~ being ignorant.

So what's new?

Corrected.

Apex · 7th October 2010, 05:40

Anyhow,

Ponting being selected as the Captain of the one day squad is the question everyone should be debating about.....rather than misplaced jingoistic rants.

slop · 7th October 2010, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Apoc

.....rather than misplaced jingoistic rants.

What would be a well placed jingoistic rant?

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Originally Posted by Apoc

Brits moaning.

So what's new?

Oh, found it...

**Chin Music** · 7th October 2010, 09:33

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Originally Posted by slop

What would be a well placed jingoistic rant?

Oh, found it...

He's an Aussie really, anyway!

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 7th October 2010, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Apoc

Anyhow,

Ponting being selected as the Captain of the one day squad is the question everyone should be debating about.....rather than misplaced jingoistic rants.

Perhaps a plot of the Aussies ODI team ranking over the year may prove your point.

I'm sure Sehwag deserved his award - not many batsmen can get a decent score on the bowler friendly pitches of Sri Lanka.

ddb · 7th October 2010, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Perhaps a plot of the Aussies ODI team ranking over the year may prove your point.

I'm sure Sehwag deserved his award - not many batsmen can get a decent score on the bowler friendly pitches of Sri Lanka.

Ah yes all players score 2 hundreds and a 99 in 3 tests and then also in a series before in India score 290 off like 250 balls?

Anyhoo, who should have got that award? Oh yes Swanny the leader of wickets against Bangladesh and Pakistan

And even WeStMiDz was a better WUM than this.

Saying this though what I actually mean is Amla was ****ing good this year as well but cos Sehwag is a true IPL star he won.

6th October 2010, 19:11	#169
ddb Established International http://www.cricket-match-special.com/ Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,584	During the period under consideration for the award - August 24, 2009 to August 10, 2010 : 6 hundreds in 10 tests for Sachin against SA, SL and Bangla with 2 hundreds against each country, average of 80 something although he played SL too many times. 1000 runs in a year. Swanny the GOD meanwhile 6 five fors with a bowling average of 27 in 10 tests with games against Pakistan, SA and Bangladesh with 3 five fors against Bangladesh playing them 4 times in the period(!), 2 five fors against SA and 1 against Pakistan. One day wise, Swann did amazing apart from the Champs trophy and the SA tour where he wasnt that good. Most his games were played in England though. Sachin played most in India as well. Swann's no doubt been very good in one day cricket and when comparing him with Sachin directly Swann's probably had more impact on the results although Sachin scored a 200 in an ODI something no one will repeat for ages. Test wise with Swann facing Bangladesh so much and only averaging 27 and then playing an awful pakistan batting line up in those first two tests, Sachin's performances have been much better in tests plus he's Indian of course and that's why Sachin's year > Swann's. __________________ "Well, like a few, creaking Terminators, we're back..." Dravid on his and Sachin's return to Australia to lose 4-0.

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6th October 2010, 23:00	#173
Minor Maggie Buttleresque Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Yorkshire Team(s): Lancashire, England Posts: 27,069	Good to see Jimmy and Swanny in the test team. Shame about the batsmen!

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Apex International Material Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Woolloomooloo Team(s): India Posts: 1,608	Anyhow, Ponting being selected as the Captain of the one day squad is the question everyone should be debating about.....rather than misplaced jingoistic rants.