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Old 13th March 2014, 09:45   #41
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We've been utterly stuffed in Australia, in the one day series and now the Twenty20. We will be lucky to win a game in the world cup yet the only head that has rolled is our best batsman.
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Old 13th March 2014, 22:29   #42
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We were uttterly stuffed in Australia. In WI we won the one-day series and have somehow managed to avoid a whitewash in the t20 series.

The other head that rolled was Andy Flower's, although officially he "resigned".
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Old 13th March 2014, 22:57   #43
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We were uttterly stuffed in Australia. In WI we won the one-day series and have somehow managed to avoid a whitewash in the t20 series.

The other head that rolled was Andy Flower's, although officially he "resigned".
Andy is still there, albeit in a different role but still a very influential position.
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Old 14th March 2014, 22:35   #44
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Great man management in the ECB sees one of our best young players break his wrist by punching a locker out of frustration. Surely someone in our 60 man backroom staff could have prevented such an occurrence?
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Old 15th March 2014, 19:10   #45
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Not sure we can blame the ECB for that one...
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Old 15th March 2014, 21:28   #46
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Not sure we can blame the ECB for that one...
Not directly, but indirectly perhaps?!
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Old 17th March 2014, 18:32   #47
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Not sure we can blame the ECB for that one...
Dunno, there's enough hangers on and baggage handlers in the ECB touring parties, surely someone could have foreseen what might have happened?

Maybe one could have offered up their face as a punching bag for Stokes to take out his frustrations on?

On a serious note, Stokes takes out his frustrations because of a run of poor form in two formats of the game he's not really been hugely successful in domestically. So, Team England once again take a talented young player and use them as a square peg to fit a round hole where they are pushed, pushed, pushed until they break.
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Old 17th March 2014, 19:06   #48
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Agree with your final point. And then replace that square peg with another square peg.
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Old 20th March 2014, 14:31   #49
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Shane Warne says he'll pay no attention to Giles Clarke's embarrassing attempt to get Sky to tow the official line
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Old 20th March 2014, 15:49   #50
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LOL.

How low can the ECB stoop? Someone criticising England? Let's nip that in the bud right now.
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Old 20th March 2014, 16:59   #51
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"We've discussed the matter with Sky. I've said that as a general principle we hope their commentators will be level and fair, and before every season we discuss that. Shane Warne was a great player but his opinion is of no relevance to us."

In which case it doesn't matter what he says, then?? Unless by "us" he is extending the circle to include the Sky Sports team, implying Warne is now surplus to requirements.

Sky Exec "But Shane is one of our favourite commentators and brings a fresh insight to the game..."
Giles "Hold on, someone else on the line. Oh, its BT, I wonder what they could want... "

Honestly, Giles Clarke's quote is like something from a 50s Communist dictatorship. Utter contemptible ****
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Old 20th March 2014, 23:34   #52
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Clark would do well to listen to Warne, Shane understands the fans and calls it as it is.

Great player, great commentator.
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Old 21st March 2014, 08:56   #53
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Clark's an idiot. Jesus Christ.
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Old 21st March 2014, 09:48   #54
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The current people in charge of the ECB are running the national team into the ground - and in every format. They all have to get the boot asap.
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Old 21st March 2014, 10:08   #55
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The current people in charge of the ECB are running the national team into the ground - and in every format. They all have to get the boot asap.
I'm inclined to agree. It wasn't long ago that England had Hugh Morris, Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss in key roles and, as such, they were able to stop the muppets doing too much damage. Now it's muppets everywhere you look, from Clark to Downton to Whitaker to Giles to Cook to Broad.

Every single one of those mentioned is holding England back and they should all be relieved of their duties. The problem is only Clark is elected (and even then it can hardly be described as democratic) and he is ultimately responsible for the rest. It's hard to be optimistic isn't it?
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Old 21st March 2014, 11:36   #56
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I'm inclined to agree. It wasn't long ago that England had Hugh Morris, Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss in key roles and, as such, they were able to stop the muppets doing too much damage. Now it's muppets everywhere you look, from Clark to Downton to Whitaker to Giles to Cook to Broad.

Every single one of those mentioned is holding England back and they should all be relieved of their duties. The problem is only Clark is elected (and even then it can hardly be described as democratic) and he is ultimately responsible for the rest. It's hard to be optimistic isn't it?
I agree with most of this.

Strauss and Flower appeared as equals who complemented each other, Strauss being the "human face" while Flower took some tough decisions and for a long time this worked for the benefit of England. Cook looks like a pawn acting on others' instructions. And can we stop hearing that he is "still learning"? If you're not a natural captain there's only so much you can be taught. Broad seems to have been made captain because he can talk the talk. He has a poor injury record and when he does play his captaincy isn't that great. Whitaker looks out of his depth as chief selector.

Downton's one action so far is to cancel Pietersen's contract so naturally he is unpopular for that but I think it was the right decision. Downton could turn out to be a good appointment. The poor T20 performances are part of the general malaise, not due to KP's absence.

I won't say England have hit rock bottom - it might get worse before it gets better. We have to see who will be the new coach, sorry, Director of Cricket. It's hard to see Giles just walking into the job on recent evidence.
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Why don't they just make Flower coach again? There doesn't seem to be anyone better available, he's still on the payroll and going to be interfering in just about all our cricket by sounds of things, I think he's still a selector and now KP's gone there is nobody to challenge his methods.

Edit, actually thinking about it, the way he is staying in power with Giles just taking over as the supposed new leader reminds me of Putin, especially with the increase in taking ethnic Englishmen from all around the world. For KP see the oligarchs.
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Old 21st March 2014, 12:09   #58
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Why don't they just make Flower coach again? There doesn't seem to be anyone better available, he's still on the payroll and going to be interfering in just about all our cricket by sounds of things, I think he's still a selector and now KP's gone there is nobody to challenge his methods.

Edit, actually thinking about it, the way he is staying in power with Giles just taking over as the supposed new leader reminds me of Putin, especially with the increase in taking ethnic Englishmen from all around the world. For KP see the oligarchs.
Except that Flower and Cook to me have taken some of the expression out of the way England have played in the last couple of years. Batsmen look frightened to hit the ball and bowlers look frightened to bowl the searching length and line that might get the nick when inviting the loose drive. Instead you have a defensive field with the likes of Anderson bowling a foot wide of off stump.

To be fair England were on a fair bit of a downslope that started with the terrible 2012 start in Asia. The win in India simply papered over the cracks for a short while for re-emerging in New Zealand.
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Old 21st March 2014, 14:57   #59
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I think Strauss was the brains behind England's planning. Without him Flower had no help from Cook. I got the impression the Flower had to captain from the sidelines with KP wanting to have a big say when he saw Cook's weaknesses. Cook getting advice from Flower, Pietersen and the bowlers wasn't going to work as none of them agreed about anything. Whitaker in charge of the selections wasn't a good idea, especially when Strauss went and Flower probably taking a vote from the backroom staff on who he should select rather than Strauss knowing who he wanted.

All guesswork by the way.
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Old 21st March 2014, 16:23   #60
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Was Strauss also the brains behind England's T20 success, despite not being involved?
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