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Old 8th May 2015, 04:27   #21
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Strauss and Flower built the best and most successful England team we've probably ever had - modern era at least - am more than happy both of them still being involved. It's the out of touch public school who needs the boot.
Strauss then?
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Old 8th May 2015, 04:32   #22
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Really? So he was the catalyst behind the 5-0 Ashes loss? Just him? Lol
Did you not read the dodgy dossier?

He whistled and everything!
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Old 8th May 2015, 04:48   #23
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Really? So he was the catalyst behind the 5-0 Ashes loss? Just him? Lol
Read my post more carefully. I didn't mention the Ashes. I said he was the catalyst that sent everything spiralling out of control, i.e. when he was sacked, the dodgy dossier, Downton etc.

Definition of catalyst: a person or thing that precipitates an event or change.

Not that I'm absolving him from any disruptiveness he himself caused during that tour and on other occasions, but it was the reaction to what went on in Australia and the later decisions that I am referring to.
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Old 8th May 2015, 04:49   #24
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He was a symptom not the catalyst.
Read my latest post and look up "catalyst".
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Old 8th May 2015, 05:41   #25
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Read my post more carefully. I didn't mention the Ashes. I said he was the catalyst that sent everything spiralling out of control, i.e. when he was sacked, the dodgy dossier, Downton etc.

Definition of catalyst: a person or thing that precipitates an event or change.

Not that I'm absolving him from any disruptiveness he himself caused during that tour and on other occasions, but it was the reaction to what went on in Australia and the later decisions that I am referring to.
You're more mealy mouthed than some of these politicians trying to defend their disastrous election results. But thanks for the definition of catalyst, saves me going through my twenty years worth of Chemistry notes and text books.
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Old 8th May 2015, 09:30   #26
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To make this about KP is a special level we've not achieved yet on this board. Bravo. Strauss's experience makes him a good candidate for the job, but smith's experience makes him a KP fan. Nice.
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It's not official yet but it looks to be a done deal. I think Strauss is perfect for the role and I'm looking forward to seeing what plans he has in store for English cricket.
You may be disappointed. Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
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Old 8th May 2015, 11:03   #28
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... Nor, surely, will the new man be waving a magic wand and producing a quick fix for all England's woes. ...?
Too right, particularly if the ECB don't give him the power to get more cricket played in the state education system - not a quick fix, of course.

There again, there is no quick fix.
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You're more mealy mouthed than some of these politicians trying to defend their disastrous election results. But thanks for the definition of catalyst, saves me going through my twenty years worth of Chemistry notes and text books.
Of course I am aware of its literal meaning in chemistry. But you likewise are aware of its metaphorical use.
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You may be disappointed. Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
And yet he has issued no manifesto, made no statement of intent, given no indication of following tradition or breaking with it, let slip no clue about changes in personnel.

Very possibly expectations of Strauss's performance as Director of Cricket will be as accurate as the General Election polls before 7th May.
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And yet he has issued no manifesto, made no statement of intent, given no indication of following tradition or breaking with it, let slip no clue about changes in personnel.

Very possibly expectations of Strauss's performance as Director of Cricket will be as accurate as the General Election polls before 7th May.
The General Election has claimed some high profile heads.
Could it be curtains for Moores and Whitaker if Strauss gets the job?
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... Could it be curtains for Moores and Whitaker if Strauss gets the job?
Maybe he'll say to them, "Pull yourself together".
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I expected to see the board rife with comments about this. It had better be true or I will lose all respect for the Guardian as a publication.
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I expected to see the board rife with comments about this. It had better be true or I will lose all respect for the Guardian as a publication.
I'm still too involved with the election result and its implications to have spent much time on the cricket news. I did hear that the rumour (or fact?) about Moores is all over twitter.

From btl posts on the Guardian over the last year I get the impression that a lot of people have already lost all respect for the paper. Somehow they're still reading the columns and replying, however.
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Of course I am aware of its literal meaning in chemistry. But you likewise are aware of its metaphorical use.
You said KP was the catalyst, now you seem to be suggesting you meant his sacking or fall out with the management was the catalyst. Which?
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I'm still too involved with the election result and its implications to have spent much time on the cricket news. I did hear that the rumour (or fact?) about Moores is all over twitter.

From btl posts on the Guardian over the last year I get the impression that a lot of people have already lost all respect for the paper. Somehow they're still reading the columns and replying, however.
If Moores is going or staying, it is pretty disgusting to leave him hanging, sitting in the rain of Dublin with a metaphorical sword of Damocles hanging over his head.

Yet another PR disaster for the ECB. They don't seem to have a clue about the current media world in which events move in hours and minutes rather than weeks and days.
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You said KP was the catalyst, now you seem to be suggesting you meant his sacking or fall out with the management was the catalyst. Which?
For goodness sake, Pietersen is gone and in the past. Strauss is about to lead us into a new era and seeing as he has already rebuilt English cricket as captain, I trust he will do the same in his new role.
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You said KP was the catalyst, now you seem to be suggesting you meant his sacking or fall out with the management was the catalyst. Which?
I'm referring to his sacking, the method of the sacking, the interpretation of the reasons for it, and the repeated interventions by Downton that muddied the waters even more.

Result:
Cricket fans fell out with each other, taking different sides, blaming variously the ECB, specific individuals, the way England played its cricket, etc etc. The sport we allegedly love was plunged into gloom so that even when we won things the victories were disparaged, any achievements downplayed, optimism for the game's future in short supply. We sacked our best player, cricket will never be the same again unless he is brought back.

Do you see what I mean? When we lost in 2006/7 it was because we played very badly and were humiliated. Wrong decisions had been made re the captaincy and team selection but overall it was just the cricket on the field that let us down. Enquiries were called for etc but eventually things just returned to normal, the cricketers got on with it, the fans got over it.

In 2013/14 it was never just the cricket on the field. The scapegoating, as many would describe it, of a player as big as Pietersen had such a huge impact that it led to the fall-out I describe above. Thus I am identifying him as the catalyst as he was at the centre.
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At the end of it, I think Pietersen got as much support as he did because of the lack of clarity from ECB regarding his ouster from the team. If the actual reasons had been given, right from the beginning, than leaks to the press, I doubt if he would have as much of a support as he currently seem to be having.
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At the end of it, I think Pietersen got as much support as he did because of the lack of clarity from ECB regarding his ouster from the team. If the actual reasons had been given, right from the beginning, than leaks to the press, I doubt if he would have as much of a support as he currently seem to be having.
Indeed. And that is kind of covered in my post.
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