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Old 9th May 2015, 13:06   #61
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If Strauss sacks Moores it will be a mistake.
If England beat New Zealand and Australia with Moores in charge then Strauss gets all the credit because without him England drew with the West Indies and so everyone will say that Strauss is the reason for England's turnaround.

If England lose to New Zealand and Australia with Moores in charge then Strauss will get none of the blame because it will be said he needs time to put his own stamp on the team and put his own man in charge.
I agree. You don't want the England team to have any more disruptions. The new man would be bringing new coaches etc. I would give Moores until the end of the summer and then make the decision. For instance we have had Saker then Gibson and maybe a third bowling coach within 2 months.
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Old 9th May 2015, 13:10   #62
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Presumably nobody was capable of making or possibly willing to make the incredibly obvious decision to fire him after West Indies (almost wrote Sri Lanka as was looking back at the scorecards for that series - would have been more sensible to have fired him then) as waiting for DoC to be confirmed. Just hopeless really. If you're sure you're appointing Stross then frigging well phone him up to check he agrees and if he doesn't then appoint someone else instead because only an idiot could want Moores to continue.
After which Sri Lanka?

2014 home series when we lost to a team who'd only ever won 6 tests outside the subcontinent before?
2014 away series when it became clear(er) we didn't have a clue in limited overs cricket ahead of the world cup?

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The journos yesterday on TMS were talking as if it was Strauss himself who was making the call on Moores going. He's definitely been involved in the decision. The fact he isn't in his job yet doesn't seem to matter, it's how the ECB works these days (see Graves).
It's a way of evading responsibility isn't it?

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How can Strauss sack Moores when it hasn't even been announced that Strauss got the DoC job?

Or is it that Graves was so furious that 4 Yorkshire players didn't get a game in the WI and weren't released back to Yorks earlier that he decided to do the job himself, goaded on by Boycott?

Several journalists have said that the leak didn't come from the ECB.
The leak hasn't come from Moores as it's how he found out.

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ECB lawyers - possible but unlikely as governed by rules relating to confidentiality
ECB recruiters - unencumbered by ethics rules
Andrew Strauss - not yet the ECB and has a congenial relationship with the press
Nick Knight - but who on earth would think it a good idea to talk to him?
Giles Clarke, Giles Clarke's wife, all Giles Clarke's wife's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, and some chap he bumped into the mess the other day called Bernard
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Old 9th May 2015, 13:15   #63
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After which Sri Lanka?

2014 home series when we lost to a team who'd only ever won 6 tests outside the subcontinent before?
2014 away series when it became clear(er) we didn't have a clue in limited overs cricket ahead of the world cup?




It's a way of evading responsibility isn't it?


The leak hasn't come from Moores as it's how he found out.

Alternative sources:


ECB lawyers - possible but unlikely as governed by rules relating to confidentiality
ECB recruiters - unencumbered by ethics rules
Andrew Strauss - not yet the ECB and has a congenial relationship with the press
Nick Knight - but who on earth would think it a good idea to talk to him?
Giles Clarke, Giles Clarke's wife, all Giles Clarke's wife's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, and some chap he bumped into the mess the other day called Bernard
Boycott.
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Old 9th May 2015, 13:16   #64
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But how would Boycott know unless the ECB told him?
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After which Sri Lanka?

2014 home series when we lost to a team who'd only ever won 6 tests outside the subcontinent before?
2014 away series when it became clear(er) we didn't have a clue in limited overs cricket ahead of the world cup?
Tongue in cheek but I meant the home series where we managed to lose to a touring side without Murali and with really no other bowlers than an admittedly decent Herath. Of course what I really meant was that it was absurd to have appionted him in the first place. Or perhaps even that while it may or may not have been absurd to have appointed him in the first place, it certainly was in the second.
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But how would Boycott know unless the ECB told him?
You are right there.
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I regret to say it, but leaks are usually accurate.
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Almost as if they WEREN'T the real reasons, really.
Confirmed dossier from the ECB, although they later confirmed it was something they put together they did say these weren't used to sack him. And they're right. He was sacked as a scapegoat, these were the reasons they cobbled together to try and make it seem like they had a legitimate reason. Well... they mentioned something about replying to his book, but same difference.
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I regret to say it, but leaks are usually accurate.
It normally depends on how much I've drunk.

As it is, whilst the leak is annoying, it was so obviously on the cards that Moores was getting the boot that I'm not getting het up about his treatment. I assume they gave Strauss the job midweek, he signed off on Moores going but doing it the day before a match wasn't a great idea, but they wanted to clear the decks before announcing Strauss on Monday. I'm guessing Flower leaked it to Newman, I'm sure that's how most of the leaks came about in the past.
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Why are people suddenly liking Moores?

He failed as England coach. Twice.
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Old 9th May 2015, 14:37   #72
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I believe people think that now he's inserted as Coach he should get a decent run, regardless of whether the decision was the correct one. Also that as Coach of England he deserves a bit of respect, and the act of finding out you've been fired by reading the newspaper (if this is indeed the case) is an appalling one.
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Confirmed dossier from the ECB, although they later confirmed it was something they put together they did say these weren't used to sack him. And they're right. He was sacked as a scapegoat, these were the reasons they cobbled together to try and make it seem like they had a legitimate reason. Well... they mentioned something about replying to his book, but same difference.
I don't think anybody on either side of the debate (or even those of us in the middle with sensibly balanced views) thinks the dossier contained the real reasons why Pietersen was sacked, which just emphasises how catastrophically stupidly the ECB handled the whole thing. Either there were better reasons they'd tied themselves up into not revealing (although had there been, they would definitely have leaked them, like the ******* sieves they are) or there were equally bad or worse reasons and they cobbled all that rubbish together in a hideously failed attempt to justify what they'd done. It's quite funny in a way.
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I believe people think that now he's inserted as Coach he should get a decent run, regardless of whether the decision was the correct one. Also that as Coach of England he deserves a bit of respect, and the act of finding out you've been fired by reading the newspaper (if this is indeed the case) is an appalling one.
I was sufficiently against his appointment and sufficiently unsurprised at how badly England has played under him that I certainly didn't want him having a longer run but completely agree with the rest. Whatever the internal machinations behind the news leaking out, it's indefensible that Moores has been treated in this way. That lots of people don't respect his record or abilities is no excuse for not respecting him as a man and an employee.
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Although we already knew.
Don't the ECB do press conferences any more?
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Don't the ECB do press conferences any more?
No point seeing as they end up being funnier than an ITV comedy.
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No point seeing as they end up being funnier than an ITV comedy.
A series based on the ECB would actually make for a funny TV series.
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No point seeing as they end up being funnier than an ITV comedy.
Tuesday is the day set for the press conference. Maybe that is when we hear that Moores has been sacked.
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According to the Indy, Moores found out he was to be sacked through the leak. His agent, former Lancs player Luke Sutton, has been very critical about the way this has been handled.
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