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Old 10th May 2015, 18:21   #121
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It probably pre-dates that, in its various guises, by several decades.
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Old 10th May 2015, 18:30   #122
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From the time of Downton's appointment it has been one big mess.
Downtons gone and the organisation is still a mess. Graves hasn't covered himself in glory so far.
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Old 10th May 2015, 19:37   #123
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Downtons gone and the organisation is still a mess. Graves hasn't covered himself in glory so far.
Graves isn't even in post, is he? Put this one on Harrison
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Old 10th May 2015, 19:49   #124
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It probably pre-dates that, in its various guises, by several decades.
I was thinking since we reached number 1 in the rankings.

The ICC only started the rankings in 2003 but applying their rankings to past teams

Since 1952 England would have been on top in

June 1955 - Feb 1958 - 33 months
Aug - Dec 1958 - 5 months
Jan 1970 - Jan 1973 - 37 months
Feb 1979 - Aug 1980 - 19 months

Aug 2011 - Aug 2012 - 12 months

The summary of teams that have held the highest rating from 1952 to the present by whole month periods, are

1 Australia 321 months
2 West Indies 235
3 England 106
4 India 45
5 South Africa 42
6 Pakistan 2
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Old 10th May 2015, 21:48   #125
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Are we? The results haven't been impressive.

As for individual performances Root, Ballance and Buttler in international cricket all pre-date the appointment of Whitaker as chief selector.

We still don't have an opening partnership and the spinner is still a question mark.

So where are these great leaps forward?

The unconvincing Jordan or the dropped by Yorks Plunkett?


A justified sacking that the ECB still managed to botch!
You seem to miss the tone of my post which was merely a mildly ironic question as to the logic of cabinboy's post. It's hard work on here sometimes.
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Old 10th May 2015, 21:57   #126
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It's definitely possible. If Moores really had no idea he was about to get sacked then he really is clueless. I wouldn't be surprised if the media sensed it and asked someone who accidentally (or otherwise) confirmed it.
Agnew on TMS just said that the journos had suggested to various ECB people -- can't remember who -- that Moores was about to lose his job and that no one had denied it and so they drew their own conclusions and decided to run the story. I can understand why the ECB are getting it in the neck for this, though, because they haven't yet announced that KP is being recalled in all formats forever starting immediately, and until that happens there is going to be an awful lot of unsavoury muttering whatever happens.
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Old 11th May 2015, 10:43   #127
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It probably pre-dates that, in its various guises, by several decades.
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I was thinking since we reached number 1 in the rankings.

The ICC only started the rankings in 2003 but applying their rankings to past teams

Since 1952 England would have been on top in

June 1955 - Feb 1958 - 33 months
Aug - Dec 1958 - 5 months
Jan 1970 - Jan 1973 - 37 months
Feb 1979 - Aug 1980 - 19 months

Aug 2011 - Aug 2012 - 12 months

The summary of teams that have held the highest rating from 1952 to the present by whole month periods, are

1 Australia 321 months
2 West Indies 235
3 England 106
4 India 45
5 South Africa 42
6 Pakistan 2
I was forgetting we now have complex mathematical calculations performed for us so we do not need to think.
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I was forgetting we now have complex mathematical calculations performed for us so we do not need to think.
About 30 years since we were at the top. So it was some achievement and then things started to go wrong. The man who got England to number one in now in charge.

Tomorrow Strauss will have to answer the biggest question at his press conference. Kevin Pietersen, will he play for England again?
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About 30 years since we were at the top. So it was some achievement and then things started to go wrong. The man who got England to number one in now in charge.

Tomorrow Strauss will have to answer the biggest question at his press conference. Kevin Pietersen, will he play for England again?
Strauss, the man who got England to #1?

Hopefully, there will be more intelligent questions and Strauss will deal quickly and decisively with that one.
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Tomorrow Strauss will have to answer the biggest question at his press conference. Kevin Pietersen, will he play for England again?
If it's a genuine press conference (rather than a staged event with pre-approved questions from pre-approved parties) Strauss will be asked if Pietersen is available for international selection. If he says no England will be in exactly the same position they were when Downton was appointed and the only coach who will touch the job is a man "inside" the ECB: last time Moores, this time Farbrace. Will Strauss learn the lessons of his predecessor?

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Tomorrow Strauss will have to answer the biggest question at his press conference. Kevin Pietersen, will he play for England again?
His reply is likely to be that KP is still "Currently Unlikely Near Test" return
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If it's a genuine press conference (rather than a staged event with pre-approved questions from pre-approved parties) Strauss will be asked if Pietersen is available for international selection. If he says no England will be in exactly the same position they were when Downton was appointed and the only coach who will touch the job is a man "inside" the ECB: last time Moores, this time Farbrace. Will Strauss learn the lessons of his predecessor?
I think the answer has to be the same as Graves' reply to that question. This 'KP will never play for England again' is wrong when the reason they gave was so pathetic. The ECB will never give the real reason and neither will Flower. Strauss will also know why but will have to just repeat what Graves said.

I would be shocked if Strauss said no.
Does anyone wonder why KP was never given the captaincy again?

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Hopefully the KP thing won't be what characterises the conference.
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His reply is likely to be that KP is still "Currently Unlikely Near Test" return
Currently Unlikely Near Team works better. Or Certainly Unlikely Next Test. Good work though.
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His reply is likely to be that KP is still "Currently Unlikely Near Test" return
Wait on a minute, is that some kind of code?

Blinking heck, how many does an England former captain and Ashes legend (tm) need to score versus Leicester to get some grudging acceptance?
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I have no idea what "urrently nlikely ear est" is supposed to stand for.
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Old 11th May 2015, 15:41   #137
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Strauss ruling KP's career over is the stupid move, it will wage a war they are obviously ill-equipped to win. As people have already said, the smart move would be for him to leave it up to the incoming Coach and selectors, who will never pick KP anyway.

That being said, knowing the ECB Strauss will call quits on KP's career, and we have many more months of turmoil to look forward to
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Poetic justice that Pietersen was partly responsible for Strauss' demise as captain, and now Strauss holds the key to his international future.
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WTF???
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WTF???
My response to.

Strauss' career ended at the age of 35, which is already pretty old for a batsman. The last 3 years of his test career yielded a bit more than 1500 runs at an average of 32, which is really low for a batsman. His career ended due to normal reasons, not because of anything related to KP.
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