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Old 28th August 2017, 21:03   #401
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If we lose he will get beaten up (figuratively) and be deserving of it.
I think it would take an awful bowling performance for WI to win from here, the disagreements between the board and T20 players means the potential test players capable or scoring quickly of mediocre or good bowling aren't going to be batting tomorrow.

Unless Root makes some extremely horrendous choices in bowling choices and fielding in which case that should come in to criticism rather than the time of declaration then I don't see how Root can cause us to lose this match.

With that being said we may as well have batted on for another 8 overs considering the series situation as I think far too much is made of having a quick bowl at the end of a days play especially when you lose 2 overs anyway and the extra runs would have been useful for setting more aggressive fields on the 5th day if one of their batsman hits some quick runs.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:09   #402
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Woakes has averaged 36.4 since his return to the test team last summer. Do England pick him as a batsman if fit to bat and not bowl?
No. He's not that good.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:21   #403
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Bold declaration from Root. I'm not necessarily against it but I would have preferred for England to have batted until the close (unless of course they were bowled out) given they are 1-0 up.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:21   #404
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No. He's not that good.
But are the alternatives that bad? His FC average is comparable with our latest three.

I agree he's probably not quite a test batsman but I reckon if he focused solely on it and was given a top 6 spot he probably could be. Technique and temperament are excellent.
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Quite funny. Put your money where your mouth is. W. Indies to win will make you rich. 13-1 on betfair.
I'll offer 15s in pints of Theakston's Old Peculiar. Forget anything else. 1/2 England win. Draw 5/1.

Hope, in a way, that WIndies make a decent fist of it. Lose by 25 runs. They have been so much better this Test.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:50   #406
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Quite funny. Put your money where your mouth is. W. Indies to win will make you rich. 13-1 on betfair.
Rich people are the problem. I don't bet.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:51   #407
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I have no issue with the declaration. We didn't really need more runs by that point. West Indies were leaking runs because their bowlers were spent, but England's new ball attack first thing in the morning will be a whole other story.

The day could scarcely have gone any better for England today.
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But are the alternatives that bad? His FC average is comparable with our latest three.

I agree he's probably not quite a test batsman but I reckon if he focused solely on it and was given a top 6 spot he probably could be. Technique and temperament are excellent.
That is an unfair comparison. England will not play Woakes above 7 in the Ashes. Stokes should bat 5. Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Root, Stokes. Ali. Bairstow, Woakes, TRJ (or a spinner), Broad and Anderson. Seems like the team for me at Lords.
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If we lose he will get beaten up (figuratively) and be deserving of it.
If we concede over 300 on a 5th day at Headingley then the entire bowling attack needs a good kicking!

Forget about about Greenidge. The WIndies have no-one of that calibre. That does not mean to say that it is impossible for WIndies, but someone is going to have to bat superbly and England are going to have to bowl dross for them to win.
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I'll offer 15s in pints of Theakston's Old Peculiar. Forget anything else. 1/2 England win. Draw 5/1.

Hope, in a way, that WIndies make a decent fist of it. Lose by 25 runs. They have been so much better this Test.
For a good days watching I also hope W.Indies have a good go but some how doubt they'll get close.
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Good Lord! You'll be telling us you don't hunt, shoot or fish next.
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All about Crag and second innings specialist Roston. I can't see 'em winning but these two are key for Windies dreams of a draw. Lot of pressure on Mo with the ball tomorrow.
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For a good days watching I also hope W.Indies have a good go but some how doubt they'll get close.

Hence my very generous odds. I have a heavy day down at the local council offices tomorrow. k.o 8.30 a.m. Expect it to be all over by 10, but that it might straggle on a bit after 11, but they may collapse. Certainly won't last until lunch. Such a shame 'cos I will be up around Leeds next week. Poor organization. I must speak to my secretary. Oh wait.

Thoroughly enjoying this test and suspect there is more excitement to come.
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That is an unfair comparison. England will not play Woakes above 7 in the Ashes. Stokes should bat 5. Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Root, Stokes. Ali. Bairstow, Woakes, TRJ (or a spinner), Broad and Anderson. Seems like the team for me at Lords.
I mean it's a moot point as a purely hypothetical question, because I agree it's not going to happen. We don't need 5 seamers though. If we have an extra bowler at Lord's, it's surely a spinner.
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All about Crag and second innings specialist Roston. I can't see 'em winning but these two are key for Windies dreams of a draw. Lot of pressure on Mo with the ball tomorrow.
Pressure?!! What pressure? He goes out and bowls and he's not going to play so badly that he's going to be dropped, despite dropping the easiest dolly of all time. Despite getting nothing first up. He has another chance at Lord's and even if he is abysmal for the next game, he is nailed on for OZ. Unlike several others he can afford a bad day at the office tomorrow.
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ENgland should wrap this up tomorrow. The Windies were far too sloppy in the field and even when eng were effectively 50 odd for 4, the windies failed to attack while Bishoo was getting serious turn...oh and by the time the new ball approached, he hado nly bowled 5 overs lol

Bad play from them in a match which was theres for the taking.
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I mean it's a moot point as a purely hypothetical question, because I agree it's not going to happen. We don't need 5 seamers though. If we have an extra bowler at Lord's, it's surely a spinner.
I honestly believe that Stokes is a quality batsman of the first water. Last year Bairstow was the most improved batsman, this year I have found his keeping to have improved beyond recognition. Rubbish shot today. 30 years ago, something like that was probably a hanging offence alongside "Arson In HM Dockyards" His keeping has been superb all summer.

Stokes has shown responsibility with the bat. His innings today, I thought was better than Mo's. 100% of what was required. Until the brain-fart just after drinks, he was just the 5 England are looking for. Mo at 6. Bairstow at 7, Woakes at 8. Malan at 3, on the strength of today. but with some alternatives.
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Pressure?!! What pressure? He goes out and bowls and he's not going to play so badly that he's going to be dropped, despite dropping the easiest dolly of all time. Despite getting nothing first up. He has another chance at Lord's and even if he is abysmal for the next game, he is nailed on for OZ. Unlike several others he can afford a bad day at the office tomorrow.
Professional pressure. I doubt Moeen would be happy to flop with the ball tomorrow.
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