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Old 31st August 2017, 14:52   #1
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Thumbs down Worst XI from a series squad

Can't come up with a more concise title to explain it, but essentially nominate an XI from any Test series squad excluding say Bangladesh, Zimbabwe at their low ebbs and Sri Lanka before they became half decent, that you think could make up the worst XI (from a squad) ever

So for the example gave me the idea in the first place I nominate England from the series against New Zealand in 1999

England XI from series squad vs New Zealand 1999

Butcher
Maddy
Habib
Ramprakash
Hick
Irani
Read (wk)
Tudor
Headley
Giddins
Tufnell

Some rank awful players in there, one or two like Butcher and Hick who made a bit of a career but were still statistically very ordinary (34 and 31 respectively with bat), and Tudor whose career is best remembered for his 99no in said series, but averaged under 20 with bat overall and a most 34 with the ball.

Of course you may have to include a few players who can feel hard done by, but the point is to come up with the worst. Think I'll scoot off and look at the England vs aussies 1989 and vs windies 1988 as they were big and some of the players fairly lame.
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Old 31st August 2017, 14:58   #2
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England XI from series squad vs West Indies 1988

Moxon
Curtis
Bailey
Maynard
Cowdrey, C.S.
Downton (wk)
Capel
Pringle
Small
Jarvis
Childs

Harsh on Gladstone but someone had to make up the numbers. Wonder if the following summer will prove worse as devastated by the rebel tour
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Old 31st August 2017, 15:03   #3
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England XI from series squad vs Australia 1989

Moxon
Curtis
Stephenson
Tavare
Barnett
Russell (wk)
Capel
Hemmings
Newport
Jarvis
Igglesden

A few good county pros never quite made it at the highest level, some not exactly persisted with. Apologies to Jack, no other keeper was used and I'm not aware of any others from back then could have kept wicket in that squad.
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Old 31st August 2017, 16:01   #4
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So basically every England squad from the late 80s to the early 00s?
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Old 31st August 2017, 17:01   #5
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I was thinking round 2003 England but they did actually have a decent batting line up, it was just that they got through about 50 seamers that summer.
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Old 31st August 2017, 21:29   #6
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Can't come up with a more concise title to explain it, but essentially nominate an XI from any Test series squad excluding say Bangladesh, Zimbabwe at their low ebbs and Sri Lanka before they became half decent, that you think could make up the worst XI (from a squad) ever

So for the example gave me the idea in the first place I nominate England from the series against New Zealand in 1999

England XI from series squad vs New Zealand 1999

Butcher
Maddy
Habib
Ramprakash
Hick
Irani
Read (wk)
Tudor
Headley
Giddins
Tufnell

Some rank awful players in there, one or two like Butcher and Hick who made a bit of a career but were still statistically very ordinary (34 and 31 respectively with bat), and Tudor whose career is best remembered for his 99no in said series, but averaged under 20 with bat overall and a most 34 with the ball.

Of course you may have to include a few players who can feel hard done by, but the point is to come up with the worst. Think I'll scoot off and look at the England vs aussies 1989 and vs windies 1988 as they were big and some of the players fairly lame.
Butcher is remembered for his amazing, match-winning 173* in the Headingley Ashes test in 2001, which lifts his otherwise "average" test career.
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Old 31st August 2017, 21:36   #7
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England 1982/83 tour of Australia

Cook
Fowler
Tavare
Jesty
Gould
Pringle
Miller
Marks
Hemmings
Jackman
Cowans
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England 1982/83 tour of Australia

Cook
Fowler
Tavare
Jesty
Gould
Pringle
Miller
Marks
Hemmings
Jackman
Cowans
I reckon the present day England might be very happy to have Fowler available to open and Tav to bat at 3.
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Butcher is remembered for his amazing, match-winning 173* in the Headingley Ashes test in 2001, which lifts his otherwise "average" test career.
He averaged over 40 from that point on over 40 Tests. He was a superb player from 2001 onwards, only surpassed by Trott as a number 3 in my time supporting England.
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I reckon the present day England might be very happy to have Fowler available to open and Tav to bat at 3.
Yeah, it's a tad harsh on Tavare but can't include Gower, Lamb, Randall or Botham.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 08:03   #12
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The point is the squad is the worst, not that all the players in the XI and therefore squad are going to be absolutely terrible.

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Butcher is remembered for his amazing, match-winning 173* in the Headingley Ashes test in 2001, which lifts his otherwise "average" test career.
So Key can be "remembered" for his 221 vs West Indies, or likewise Ramprakash for his 154....

Doesn't make Butcher's career any less average, jeez you'd think I was calling his career a lot worse.

The match in which he made said score will be "remembered" for being one Gilchrist declared to try and get a result in a dead rubber, doesn't make the series or Test any better.......
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Yeah, it's a tad harsh on Tavare but can't include Gower, Lamb, Randall or Botham.
That's what makes the question contain a little sting, finding the one squad that had enough players used during the series to try and avoid having to include a good player - well player that had a good Test career.

I had to include Tavare as well, but in reality a career average in the low 30s is not fantastic.
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He averaged over 40 from that point on over 40 Tests. He was a superb player from 2001 onwards, only surpassed by Trott as a number 3 in my time supporting England.
And of course I did say "statistically", besides which I think some are missing the point by singling out the hard done bys.

It's the overall strength or lack of in the XI from that series that matters, you're highly unlikely to find a squad to make an XI from, without resorting to newbies and minnows, that is 100% made up of poor players.

But to get even 7-8 that were pretty bad out of squads maybe used 18-21 players is pretty bad. Try thinking of one, I'll give you a couple of suggestions :

England vs South Africa 2003 with the likes of Giles, Ed Smith, Kabir Ali (who didn't do badly, but had a short career), Kirtley, McGrath, Giles.....

Or England vs India 1992/93 with Jarvis, Blakey, Fairbrother, Salisbury, Paul Taylor, oh and another who didn't get a "but he scored 178........." Hick


Doesn't just have to be England squads, can as easily be India, Pakistan, New Zealand, South Africa..... Instead of nitpicking some could show their supposed vast knowledge and memories......
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