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Old 4th September 2015, 06:54   #2181
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But usually after he'd got a decent score on the board. Unlike Hales, who was the reference here.
Hales has had a handful of attempts usually spread out after the idiotic attempt to bolster up Cook. He needs a concerted run in the team to see whether he's up to it. He didn't have a bad (not great) NZ series with his two 50s and a good s/r, which is relevant given that Bell was rarely that quick even when he did score runs. The ex players reckon you need to give players 25/30 games before judging them so Hales deserves a bit of a go yet, which they are going to give him as it is now between tournaments.

Given that he's shown that he can go big and score off good bowling as in t20 against high quality bowling it makes sense to give him a go. The issue was that they left it a couple of years longer than they should have done and we would not be having this conversation now as he would have either established himself or they would be looking elsewere. Ergo the England management have to take the blame for that for not managing that situation well. In essence they have because of the overhaul of coaching staff.
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Old 4th September 2015, 15:39   #2182
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Bell had a very successful period as an opener as Chin mentions. The World Cup
was not his finest hour despite being leading England run scorer with the highest average. Yes, that old scoundrel run rate was his undoing, albeit that it was 13 points higher than Captain Marvel Morgan's. It was mainly the tactics that did for England, and all round poor performance, but Bell always makes a popular scapegoat, especially for gbg.

Bell has now retired from ODIs. Yes, he very likely wouldn't be selected again now that there is a young upcoming set of players. However, making his position clear at least means he won't be waiting for the call that never comes.

He finishes with 5416 ODI runs, England's leading scorer in the format. Next is Morgan with 3536. He needs 607 more test runs to overtake Pietersen as leading run scorer across all formats.
High chance of him not getting there if he has two duff series this winter.
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Old 5th September 2015, 19:20   #2183
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High chance of him not getting there if he has two duff series this winter.
Well I didn't want to mention that...
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Old 9th October 2015, 12:02   #2184
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More proof of an anti Ian Bell conspiracy.


Surprised MF wasn't all over this.


0.1

Junaid Khan to Ali, 3 runs
0.2

Junaid Khan to Bell, 1 run
0.3

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run
0.4

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run
0.5

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run
0.6

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run, sharp ball outside off, left alone

End of over 1 (4 runs) England XI 4/0

MM Ali 3 (5b)
IR Bell 1 (1b)
Junaid Khan 1-0-4-0

1.1

Mir Hamza to Bell, no run, outside off no shot offered
1.2

Mir Hamza to Bell, no run
1.3

Mir Hamza to Bell, no run, offstump ball, punchy off drive, great dive and sop at mid-off
1.4

Mir Hamza to Bell, 2 runs, same length, pushed slightly wider this time, easy runs
1.5

Mir Hamza to Bell, no run, away swinger, watchfully left alone
1.6

Mir Hamza to Bell, no run, pf tsump ball, defensive shot

End of over 2 (2 runs) England XI 6/0

IR Bell 3 (7b)
MM Ali 3 (5b)
Mir Hamza 1-0-2-0
Junaid Khan 1-0-4-0

2.1

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run, dipping in, solid backfoot defense
2.2

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run, off stump ball, slashes hard, misses, almost a feather, appeal and not out
2.3

Junaid Khan to Ali, FOUR, good channel , hint of away swing, forward defense gets an edge through slips to thirdman
2.4

Junaid Khan to Ali, no run, pushed to mid-on
2.5

Junaid Khan to Ali, OUT, quicker ball banged in hard, Moeen pushes hard at it gets an edge to slips, Usman takes a great low catch!

MM Ali c Usman Salahuddin b Junaid Khan 10 (35b 1x4 0x6) SR: 28.57
2.6

Junaid Khan to Bell, no run

End of over 3 (4 runs) England XI 10/1

IR Bell 3 (8b)
AD Hales 0 (0b)
Junaid Khan 2-0-8-1
Mir Hamza 1-0-2-0

3.1

Mir Hamza to Hales, 2 runs, pitched leg stump steered to midwicket for a couple
3.2

Mir Hamza to Hales, no run
3.3

Mir Hamza to Hales, FOUR, outside off, pushing too hard too early trying to play a cvber drive gets a thick outside edge to backward point.
3.4

Mir Hamza to Hales, no run, outside off, good sharp ball, misess a forward defense, cries of catch, no bat there
3.5

Mir Hamza to Hales, OUT, great channel bowling here, Hales gets a healthy edge down to first slip, Pakistan on a roll here!!

AD Hales c Iftikhar Ahmed b Mir Hamza 9 (13b 1x4 0x6) SR: 69.23
3.6

Mir Hamza to Taylor, no run

End of over 4 (6 runs) England XI 16/2

JWA Taylor 0 (1b)
IR Bell 0 (1b)
Mir Hamza 2-0-8-1
Junaid Khan 2-0-8-1

4.1

Junaid Khan to Bell, no run
4.2

Junaid Khan to Bell, 1 run
4.3

Junaid Khan to Taylor, 1 run, quicker ball , inside edge to fine leg, almost another one down
4.4

Junaid Khan to Bell, no run, forward defense
4.5

Junaid Khan to Bell, no run, back of length, pushed on the up to covers
4.6

Junaid Khan to Bell, no run, backfoot defense back to junaid

End of over 5 (2 runs) England XI 18/2

IR Bell 1 (6b)
JWA Taylor 1 (2b)
Junaid Khan 3-0-10-1
Mir Hamza 2-0-8-1
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Old 13th October 2015, 07:41   #2185
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I think the thread title might need changing again, but with something a little less "witty" and more to the point than my last effort. He better score some runs or he can just **** off
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Old 15th October 2015, 14:09   #2186
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Very good innings from Bell today. Shame he couldn't stay unbeaten but a step in the right direction.
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Old 15th October 2015, 14:11   #2187
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Very good innings from Bell today. Hopefully he can convert his score to a century tomorrow.
Spoke to soon... In fairness I felt that he looked a good deal better as the innings wore on given that he was utterly wretched before lunch and into the first part of the afternoon session but it is a pass mark. I have said before that I'm more reluctant to write him simply because of the paucity of options and that with him not playing limited overs cricket, he might be a little fresher. That said I think it is a miss him not getting a ton.
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Old 15th October 2015, 21:35   #2188
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Very good innings from Bell today. Shame he couldn't stay unbeaten but a step in the right direction.
Didn't see any of today's play. Was it a pretty 60 by any chance?
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Didn't see any of today's play. Was it a pretty 60 by any chance?
No. It was anything but pretty.
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Old 15th October 2015, 21:39   #2190
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Didn't see any of today's play. Was it a pretty 60 by any chance?
Far from it. He was quite horrid for some time. He did play a lot better in the latter part of the afternoon session but then he threw it away at an inopportune moment. It really wasn't a stereotypical Bell innings but the way he got out when starting to look good was very IR Bell. I'm awaiting MF to find fault with us erm finding fault with Bell.
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Far from it. He was quite horrid for some time. He did play a lot better in the latter part of the afternoon session but then he threw it away at an inopportune moment. It really wasn't a stereotypical Bell innings but the way he got out when starting to look good was very IR Bell. I'm awaiting MF to find fault with us erm finding fault with Bell.
Not worth the bother. It was a useful innings, a good partnership with Cook, but I was disappointed that he didn't make it to the close.

I could point out that Cook also threw it away at one point but fortunately was dropped, but I won't.
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Old 25th October 2015, 13:05   #2192
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Congratulations to Ian Bell for confirming his England test spot for a further dozen or so matches regardless of whether he scores runs in those matches.
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Congratulations to Ian Bell for confirming his England test spot for a further dozen or so matches regardless of whether he scores runs in those matches.
In fairness in this series, he's only had a poor 1st innings of this match. I'm not saying he's been good, or that he's been that convincing but I have more belief that he has runs in him than Bairstow or Ali, not that that says much.
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Especially, re Ali.

It's all very well pointing to recent poor form but if a player of Bell's long standing pedigree shows any sign of returning to form, he is more likely to continue to be selected than a recent selection showing poor form.
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There aren't really any recently selected batsmen showing poor form other than Bairstow. There are a couple of all rounders (iPad wanted them to be "lol" rounders, which wouldn't be too far off) and a batsman keeper doing so though.
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There aren't really any recently selected batsmen showing poor form other than Bairstow. There are a couple of all rounders (iPad wanted them to be "lol" rounders, which wouldn't be too far off) and a batsman keeper doing so though.
Although it is highly pertinent given someone else who is in the squad but not in the playing XI. The 'rounder' part of that is highly pertinent given how you have previously described him!
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In fairness in this series, he's only had a poor 1st innings of this match. I'm not saying he's been good, or that he's been that convincing but I have more belief that he has runs in him than Bairstow or Ali, not that that says much.
That statement in itself carries more worry, that an out of form Bell who is/was averaging mid-20s in 2015 isn't necessarily the biggest run scoring concern.

The stats showing his decline in runs and average from 2013 into 2014 and 2015 need to be considered by the selectors. Even if he is given some time off to find form it's better than having a relatively inexperienced top order trying to carry a batsman out of form.

Ali is a concern anywhere in the top part of the order, Bairstow and Taylor don't have a lot of Test playing experience, Stokes is an all-rounder batting up the order who played some decent innings, and the keeper has been scratching around for runs more than Bell has!

So essentially England are more often than not looking to Cook and Root for runs. So far this Test Ali, Bell, Bairstow Stokes and Buttler combined have scored 55 and 89 runs in the respective innings. Make that a /5 score come total and you wouldn't be too happy.

But for Root's 150 runs this Test would be over already, that and the delayclaration of Pakistan.
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Slightly irritating position where I have essentially zero confidence in anyone other than Cook or Root scoring any significant quantum of runs - yet there is noone standing out as deserving to be dropped to make way for Taylor, who I suspect would have the temperament and technique to do well on these surfaces.

I suspect it's time to just be a bit brutal and jettison Bell - similar to how England ended Hoggard's career to make way for Anderson in the 2008 New Zealand tour.
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Slightly irritating position where I have essentially zero confidence in anyone other than Cook or Root scoring any significant quantum of runs - yet there is noone standing out as deserving to be dropped to make way for Taylor, who I suspect would have the temperament and technique to do well on these surfaces.

I suspect it's time to just be a bit brutal and jettison Bell - similar to how England ended Hoggard's career to make way for Anderson in the 2008 New Zealand tour.
Really?

I suspect it's only conservatism about having such an inexperienced line-up if they jettison Bell that has kept him in.
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Do you think Bell has a motivational poster somewhere along the lines of "always be the second-most **** in the team, at worst"?
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