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Old 4th November 2015, 20:35   #2261
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True although I fancy batting is a little easier now than in the 80s and 90s when Waugh played.
Shhh...don't let him hear you say that, it's a very sensitive subject!
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Old 4th November 2015, 20:52   #2262
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bell won the Compton Miller award which is something only the best England batsman win.

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Old 4th November 2015, 20:53   #2263
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I've backed Belly Boy all the way and given him unstinted support, but even I question the wisdom of continuing to select the world class bloke
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Old 4th November 2015, 20:54   #2264
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Nah, they both spearheaded their sides attacks. Bell was more Siddle than Johnson.
Siddle always has been the solid team pro, so unfair to lumber him with higher expectations.
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Old 4th November 2015, 21:27   #2265
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Shhh...don't let him hear you say that, it's a very sensitive subject!
I've made this point many times about Bell, sometimes purely with the intention of winding Michelle up, but it really is about a very simple and basic advantage that Bell took to the full. He played against Bangladesh on 6 occasions and really filled his boots with 3 tons and an average of 128, something ME Waugh never had. It was easy for a very long time to have a far more harsh perspective on Bell's batting by simply looking at his overall record minus runs against them. They never really stacked up as that outstanding apart from just after his magical 2011.

Even so the last couple of years have been utterly rank, with the foolish decision to promote him to 4 and then 3. I still wonder at the lack of options available to England to ditch him even though it would have been deserved for some time before this.
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Old 4th November 2015, 21:32   #2266
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I've made this point many times about Bell, sometimes purely with the intention of winding Michelle up, but it really is about a very simple and basic advantage that Bell took to the full. He played against Bangladesh on 6 occasions and really filled his boots with 3 tons and an average of 128, something ME Waugh never had. It was easy for a very long time to have a far more harsh perspective on Bell's batting by simply looking at his overall record minus runs against them. They never really stacked up as that outstanding apart from just after his magical 2011.

Even so the last couple of years have been utterly rank, with the foolish decision to promote him to 4 and then 3. I still wonder at the lack of options available to England to ditch him even though it would have been deserved for some time before this.
To be fair bell did not get to play against England in the 90s. Bicknell, iilot, such and embury anyone?

He also got one vs an attack containing hick, mccague and gooch
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Old 4th November 2015, 21:39   #2267
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I've made this point many times about Bell, sometimes purely with the intention of winding Michelle up, but it really is about a very simple and basic advantage that Bell took to the full. He played against Bangladesh on 6 occasions and really filled his boots with 3 tons and an average of 128, something ME Waugh never had. It was easy for a very long time to have a far more harsh perspective on Bell's batting by simply looking at his overall record minus runs against them. They never really stacked up as that outstanding apart from just after his magical 2011.

Even so the last couple of years have been utterly rank, with the foolish decision to promote him to 4 and then 3. I still wonder at the lack of options available to England to ditch him even though it would have been deserved for some time before this.
Average of 40.07 without Bangladesh.

The strange thing about his average is how poor he was in UAE (19.0), West Indies (26.71), Sri Lanka 38.2) when these were the countries (other than the Bangles) that he had his best overall records against - 42.7, 47.0, 58.0 respectively.
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Old 4th November 2015, 21:46   #2268
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To be fair bell did not get to play against England in the 90s. Bicknell, iilot, such and embury anyone?
The Convicts were 80/4 and 12/2 in that match!

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Hick and Gooch being part-timers forced to pick up the slack because McCague was ****.
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Nah, they both spearheaded their sides attacks. Bell was more Siddle than Johnson.
But like Johnson, Bell did win one ashes.
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Old 4th November 2015, 23:09   #2270
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But like Johnson, Bell did win one ashes.
Johnson also starred v SA and had an aura that Bell didn't have, even after his one great Ashes. People feared Johnson, but I don't think they ever feared Bell.
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Old 4th November 2015, 23:27   #2271
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Johnson also starred v SA and had an aura that Bell didn't have, even after his one great Ashes. People feared Johnson, but I don't think they ever feared Bell.
Johnson also became the epitomy of comic incompetence for a while.
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Old 4th November 2015, 23:53   #2272
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Johnson also became the epitomy of comic incompetence for a while.
I think Bell's form is probably more tragedy than comedy though.
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Johnson also starred v SA and had an aura that Bell didn't have, even after his one great Ashes. People feared Johnson, but I don't think they ever feared Bell.
You're wrong about that. Michael Clarke said they feared Bell. Oddly this was confirmed by my American daughter in law meeting a top level Aussie (no names sorry) on a flight to America. She mentioned Bell and the Aussie said that he had never liked him because he was the player they had feared. You can make of that what you will. Maybe Bell has an aura you're unaware of? Interesting that the Pakistan commentator on the Verdict said the team had been delighted to take the important wicket of Bell. He's still seen as a threat even if he's a figure of comedy/tragedy on this board.

Getting a duck appears to wipe out any runs you've made in the three matches.
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You're wrong about that. Michael Clarke said they feared Bell. Oddly this was confirmed by my American daughter in law meeting a top level Aussie (no names sorry) on a flight to America. She mentioned Bell and the Aussie said that he had never liked him because he was the player they had feared. You can make of that what you will. Maybe Bell has an aura you're unaware of? Interesting that the Pakistan commentator on the Verdict said the team had been delighted to take the important wicket of Bell. He's still seen as a threat even if he's a figure of comedy/tragedy on this board.

Getting a duck appears to wipe out any runs you've made in the three matches.
What runs? He made 158 runs in 6 innings. Not nearly good enough. He dropped more runs than that in the first test.
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Old 5th November 2015, 11:32   #2275
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Johnson also starred v SA and had an aura that Bell didn't have, even after his one great Ashes. People feared Johnson, but I don't think they ever feared Bell.
He had the odd other series he starred in. That ashes and 2011 in general stand out, so I think he does compare to Johnson there. Alterego's alterreality notwithstanding, he was similarly unfeared most of the rest of the time though.
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You're wrong about that. Michael Clarke said they feared Bell. Oddly this was confirmed by my American daughter in law meeting a top level Aussie (no names sorry) on a flight to America. She mentioned Bell and the Aussie said that he had never liked him because he was the player they had feared. You can make of that what you will. Maybe Bell has an aura you're unaware of? Interesting that the Pakistan commentator on the Verdict said the team had been delighted to take the important wicket of Bell. He's still seen as a threat even if he's a figure of comedy/tragedy on this board.

Getting a duck appears to wipe out any runs you've made in the three matches.
My cousins boyfriends sister feeds Dale Steyn's cats when he is touring and apparently she went round for instructions before he left for India and found Steyn, Morkel and Philander on their knees praying that Bell would retire before the upcoming tour.
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Old 5th November 2015, 13:22   #2277
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You're wrong about that. Michael Clarke said they feared Bell. Oddly this was confirmed by my American daughter in law meeting a top level Aussie (no names sorry) on a flight to America. She mentioned Bell and the Aussie said that he had never liked him because he was the player they had feared. You can make of that what you will. Maybe Bell has an aura you're unaware of? Interesting that the Pakistan commentator on the Verdict said the team had been delighted to take the important wicket of Bell. He's still seen as a threat even if he's a figure of comedy/tragedy on this board.

Getting a duck appears to wipe out any runs you've made in the three matches.
This story has no credibility. There's no such thing as a "top level Aussie", they are known as "fair dinkum Bruces/Sheilas". FAIL!
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My cousins boyfriends sister feeds Dale Steyn's cats when he is touring and apparently she went round for instructions before he left for India and found Steyn, Morkel and Philander on their knees praying that Bell would retire before the upcoming tour.
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The idea of Aussies being scared of Bell is akin to being frightened by Play School's round window.
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The idea of Aussies being scared of Bell is akin to being frightened by Play School's round window.
They were a bit spooked in 2013 when he racked up 560 runs including 3 centuries and won the Ashes for England.
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