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Old 19th November 2015, 19:21   #2321
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Bell finds an unlikely ally in the greatest England batsmen of his generation.
Don't know why you think he's an unlikely ally. KP has always spoken up in praise or defence of Bell. Bell is a client of his management company, but he was very supportive long before that.
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Old 19th November 2015, 19:29   #2322
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Old 19th November 2015, 19:38   #2323
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England are highly likely to lose in SA, whether Bell was selected or not. His absence means that the young guard will be forced to step up, which should speed up their development as test cricketers. Maybe we just have to accept this.

Bell will get a chance to go back and score truckloads of runs for Warwicks in order to stake his claim for a recall when the inevitable happens and England struggle for middle order runs.
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Old 19th November 2015, 19:44   #2324
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For what it's worth I think it was a good idea to rest Bell for this tour. He's the most experienced player but hasn't been in the kind of form to stamp a real mark on a series. On Facebook today he expresses his disappointment at being left out and says how hard he's been working. This isn't what he needs, it's a break from cricket and time to rest, spend time with his family and take stock, then next season score runs for Warwickshire.

And I, at least, hope he'll play for England again.
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Old 19th November 2015, 19:49   #2325
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Old 19th November 2015, 20:12   #2327
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England are highly likely to lose in SA, whether Bell was selected or not. His absence means that the young guard will be forced to step up, which should speed up their development as test cricketers. Maybe we just have to accept this.
A very optimistic view - if England lose badly, there'll be castigation of the players, and lots of raking over of the decision to drop Bell.

It's a big decision, probably the correct one, but few people are going to defend it if the top order continues to fail.
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And Compton. That's going to conflict a lot of people.

He's wrong though.
I'd love to be able to agree with Pietersen but it's been over two years and seven series since Bell last did better than passably adequately in a series. Yes, he might have turned it around in SA but it's too long being too mediocre for anyone to have the real right to complain on his behalf.
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A very optimistic view - if England lose badly, there'll be castigation of the players, and lots of raking over of the decision to drop Bell.

It's a big decision, probably the correct one, but few people are going to defend it if the top order continues to fail.
Although they seem perfectly happy to defend the Capey decision even though the top order has failed continually ever since.

The fact is the only justifiable criticism of the dropping Bell should be that it was not done so sooner.
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A very optimistic view - if England lose badly, there'll be castigation of the players, and lots of raking over of the decision to drop Bell.

It's a big decision, probably the correct one, but few people are going to defend it if the top order continues to fail.
But those people will have surely moved on?
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I am pretty certain bell will score loads of runs and get a recall. He is still relatively young and looks fit.

My biggest worry is how the slip cordon is going to cope without him.
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A very optimistic view - if England lose badly, there'll be castigation of the players, and lots of raking over of the decision to drop Bell.

It's a big decision, probably the correct one, but few people are going to defend it if the top order continues to fail.
If England lose badly, the absence of Ian Bell is unlikely to be the crucial factor in the losses. I will grant you that the journalists are going to rake over and dissect England's performances. There really is no reason to expect that England would be anything other than soundly beaten. The only reason it would not be as bad as the last away Ashes is that there are only 4 tests, so losing 5-0 would be difficult.
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I am pretty certain bell will score loads of runs and get a recall. He is still relatively young and looks fit.

My biggest worry is how the slip cordon is going to cope without him.
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If England lose badly, the absence of Ian Bell is unlikely to be the crucial factor in the losses. I will grant you that the journalists are going to rake over and dissect England's performances. There really is no reason to expect that England would be anything other than soundly beaten. The only reason it would not be as bad as the last away Ashes is that there are only 4 tests, so losing 5-0 would be difficult.
Whilst also not fancying England's chances, I would say that Eng v SA series have constantly tended to be much closer than expected. In fact, SA's lack of series wins at home against England is currently one of the longer 'barren' runs in Test cricket, extending very nearly back to the last century.
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2 series there in 11 years though. In that time I've moved to several diffrerent cities, trained to be a teacher, been made redundant and got married and divorced along with there being six Ashes series, 3 of which have been away.
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I shan't try to put paid to what you say, Zebs...but it's worth noting that SA were favourites for those two series and won neither.

Then again, it's eminently possible that in three months' time, we'll all be claiming we never loved Bayliss.
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Some sterling work in this here fred.

The 04/05 series was a stone cold classic between two very good teams. The (I'm guessing here 09/10) series was one of those ultra lucky scrap to the bitter end series which we should've lost 3-1.
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