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Old 22nd January 2016, 21:28   #2381
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I might just have plans for both the Bell and Anderson thread if you are challenging me!
Sounds like you're about to merge them.
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Old 22nd January 2016, 21:52   #2382
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I might just have plans for both the Bell and Anderson thread if you are challenging me!
I'm sure you're not serious, but if you want this forum to retain any credibility as a place for intelligent cricket chat rather than the petty point-scoring nonsense that has largely replaced it, it wouldn't be a sensible move.

England players with individual threads are rightly on the England board. Whether they retire or are dropped there's no other suitable board for them. Not all of them go back to county cricket. Some of them go on to be England Director of Cricket but their threads still exists. Some are now making money in t20 franchises but their threads still exists. After a while the threads slip down a page or two then a few more before sinking without trace.

There's nothing wrong with criticising players, we all do it, but when the abuse is more about provoking other posters than giving a truly objective view of the players in question it becomes a cause for concern. It's always gone on and sometimes it's harmless fun. But now we have mods who actively take part in the nonsense. The inmates are running the asylum.

This is still the Ian Bell thread, I believe. Please keep it as it is.
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Old 22nd January 2016, 22:00   #2383
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I'm sure you're not serious, but if you want this forum to retain any credibility as a place for intelligent cricket chat rather than the petty point-scoring nonsense that has largely replaced it, it wouldn't be a sensible move.

England players with individual threads are rightly on the England board. Whether they retire or are dropped there's no other suitable board for them. Not all of them go back to county cricket. Some of them go on to be England Director of Cricket but their threads still exists. Some are now making money in t20 franchises but their threads still exists. After a while the threads slip down a page or two then a few more before sinking without trace.

There's nothing wrong with criticising players, we all do it, but when the abuse is more about provoking other posters than giving a truly objective view of the players in question it becomes a cause for concern. It's always gone on and sometimes it's harmless fun. But now we have mods who actively take part in the nonsense. The inmates are running the asylum.

This is still the Ian Bell thread, I believe. Please keep it as it is.
Ha. Zing.

Chin looks as silly as Ian Bell did that time he went for tea too early...
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Old 22nd January 2016, 22:12   #2384
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Ha. Zing.

Chin looks as silly as Ian Bell did that time he went for tea too early...
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Old 22nd January 2016, 22:32   #2385
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Weirdly I think Flintoff is the only player to have their thread moved to the county forum even though he played just a couple of T20s for Lancs after retirement. That always bothered me.
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Old 22nd January 2016, 22:34   #2386
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Chin looks as silly as Ian Bell did that time he went for tea too early...
She said inmates.
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Old 23rd January 2016, 08:39   #2387
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Curious what Yawn said, not sure there's too much worthwhile mileage listening him since he's come out with idiotic things like trying to get "bang bang" brought in to indicate two quick wickets, guy's an imbecile.

Anyway, he reckons just because Bell is going to captain his county that means he won't play for England again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35378727

Whether he struggles to get back in or not will more likely depend how desperate England get and how much in form England get, and by desperate I mean scenarios where an injury and a batsman out of form mean they're looking for someone and have to choose between someone with a good Test average and experience, or someone inexperienced....
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Old 23rd January 2016, 09:09   #2388
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I'm sure you're not serious, but if you want this forum to retain any credibility as a place for intelligent cricket chat rather than the petty point-scoring nonsense that has largely replaced it, it wouldn't be a sensible move.

England players with individual threads are rightly on the England board. Whether they retire or are dropped there's no other suitable board for them. Not all of them go back to county cricket. Some of them go on to be England Director of Cricket but their threads still exists. Some are now making money in t20 franchises but their threads still exists. After a while the threads slip down a page or two then a few more before sinking without trace.

There's nothing wrong with criticising players, we all do it, but when the abuse is more about provoking other posters than giving a truly objective view of the players in question it becomes a cause for concern. It's always gone on and sometimes it's harmless fun. But now we have mods who actively take part in the nonsense. The inmates are running the asylum.

This is still the Ian Bell thread, I believe. Please keep it as it is.
Were you a few ships to the wind when you wrote that?

I wasn't remotely serious. Of course I was having a bit of a nod to the fact that often you reacted rather negatively to relatively honest posts criticising certain players that has often led to less than serious posts consequently. The first few pages of this very thread were very much testament to that let alone you trawling the web seemingly looking to find fault with articles discussing Bell.
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Old 23rd January 2016, 12:56   #2389
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Were you a few ships to the wind when you wrote that?

I wasn't remotely serious. Of course I was having a bit of a nod to the fact that often you reacted rather negatively to relatively honest posts criticising certain players that has often led to less than serious posts consequently. The first few pages of this very thread were very much testament to that let alone you trawling the web seemingly looking to find fault with articles discussing Bell.
I knew really that you weren't being serious. Perhaps you like to encourage gbg at the same time as provoking me. He'd be delighted to have this thread moved, either to the domestic board or to a council skip. Which does come back to my main point, that after years of talking to most of the same people on the same forum the focus in the case of some regular topics is more about point scoring than genuine discussion. I have to question why my negative reaction to "relatively honest posts" (why only relatively, not completely honest?) should lead to less serious comments if the criticism and response were both made with conviction.

And note that I hadn't posted a single thing about Bell taking the Warwickshire captaincy before Gbg made his remark about the thread being moved.

It's true I take the bait and respond more often than I should, but what's he point of being a member of a cricket forum if I have to mentally analyse, consider and edit potential replies before finally deciding not to reply at all? It's an option many new members have taken and decided in the end to take their opinions elsewhere.
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Old 23rd January 2016, 13:04   #2390
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I knew really that you weren't being serious. Perhaps you like to encourage gbg at the same time as provoking me. He'd be delighted to have this thread moved, either to the domestic board or to a council skip. Which does come back to my main point, that after years of talking to most of the same people on the same forum the focus in the case of some regular topics is more about point scoring than genuine discussion. I have to question why my negative reaction to "relatively honest posts" (why only relatively, not completely honest?) should lead to less serious comments if the criticism and response were both made with conviction.

And note that I hadn't posted a single thing about Bell taking the Warwickshire captaincy before Gbg made his remark about the thread being moved.

It's true I take the bait and respond more often than I should, but what's he point of being a member of a cricket forum if I have to mentally analyse, consider and edit potential replies before finally deciding not to reply at all? It's an option many new members have taken and decided in the end to take their opinions elsewhere.
For the first point, I responded to GBG in terms of him calling me 'mischevious' so I sort of replied in kind. If you talk about posting seriously I'm sure I pointed out the other day that I still saw a possibility of Bell returning at 5 if England's newer plays still didn't convince.

Ok when I spoke of 'relatively' serious, I must admit that I found it excruciating in the first couple of years of this thread when I was one of the first people to get annoyed at Bell not converting his tons and his progress flatlining to the point where he got dropped in 2009. Your responses at the time were on the lines of that why people weren't giving him credit for what he did when our points were that if Bell was going to truly become a top player pretty fifties weren't were it was at. I found your response baffling to that. It's not like that some of us have been that inconsistent, we've even had a go at Joe Root for his non-conversions over the last year and his record is darn good. Oh and Slop and Maty have been getting annoyed at De Villers too. I must admit that my reactions at times were as a result of you getting annoyed and admit I shouldn't have gone as far as I did but it was my way of showing my annoyance! I do want to let this dog lie though.
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I accept these points and agree, let's let sleeping dogs lie. And let peace break out.





Until the next time.
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I have a feeling this will be the end of the matter...

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Old 23rd January 2016, 16:31   #2393
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Perhaps we should keep shtum on the topic until May when Bell is racing to a 1000 runs
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Did anyone hear Bell on TMS yesterday? I wasn't really listening as I find him to be incredibly tedious, but my impression was that the conversation went something like this.

Interviewer: So, Mr Bell, now that you're captain of Warks it's clear to everyone that you have relinquished all your England ambitions forever isn't it?

Bell: No absolutely not, I really really really want my place back and when I get it Warks will just have to make do.

Interviewer: OK, but you don't think you're going to play for England again and neither does anyone else, do they?

Bell: Yes absolutely, the fire still burns within me blah blah blah.

Interviewer: Ah, so you say, but you're in denial aren't you?

Bell: No no no I'm not I'm not I'm NOT. I will play for England again I WILL I WILL!

Interviewer: Yes but but you won't though will you?

Bell: etc.
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Did anyone hear Bell on TMS yesterday? I wasn't really listening as I find him to be incredibly tedious, but my impression was that the conversation went something like this.

Interviewer: So, Mr Bell, now that you're captain of Warks it's clear to everyone that you have relinquished all your England ambitions forever isn't it?

Bell: No absolutely not, I really really really want my place back and when I get it Warks will just have to make do.

Interviewer: OK, but you don't think you're going to play for England again and neither does anyone else, do they?

Bell: Yes absolutely, the fire still burns within me blah blah blah.

Interviewer: Ah, so you say, but you're in denial aren't you?

Bell: No no no I'm not I'm not I'm NOT. I will play for England again I WILL I WILL!

Interviewer: Yes but but you won't though will you?

Bell: etc.
How did Bell stop himself punching the interviewer? They seem to delight in winding up the interviewee.
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I suspect there has been some rewriting of the interview by the poster.
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How did Bell stop himself punching the interviewer? ...
Balance and focus, innit.
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Tempting to say that Bell's become a much better player by missing out on the tour. The trouble is that if he played it would be at no3 where he is not at his best. His best batting position is in the middle order which was the most Successful part of the batting in the last series
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Tempting to say that Bell's become a much better player by missing out on the tour. The trouble is that if he played it would be at no3 where he is not at his best. His best batting position is in the middle order which was the most Successful part of the batting in the last series
His best batting position is one behind KP.
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