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Old 30th December 2017, 20:01   #301
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For what itís worth, I think Ali has mentally gone and therefore shouldnít be picked in Sydney, but Iíd be bringing in Foakes for him and Crane for Curran. I hope Crane does well but I can see it being a horror show.
He might get absolutely carted and be out of his league, but he also might take 4 wickets along the way, a la Scott Borthwick.
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Old 30th December 2017, 23:38   #302
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Exactly. These crazed calls to get rid of him seem to be from people who only watch Ashes cricket. Plus, his performances have been no worse than almost everyone else.

Ali will come good again, as his last 18 months have been exceptional and he has been one of England's top 3 cricketers across all formats. Maybe the comfort of Stokes helped him out or it was just the nature of Aus cricket.
18 months have been exceptional ? If you rule out Sri Lanka, Bangladesh , West Indies and Ashes. Yes ...
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Old 30th December 2017, 23:56   #303
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18 months have been exceptional ? If you rule out Sri Lanka, Bangladesh , West Indies and Ashes. Yes ...
A batting average of almost 40, with 4 centuries, coupled with 70 wickets in tests. Another century in ODIs while spending most of his time batting too low, a terrific strike rate and bowling that can be useful at times. He was crucial for England in India with his batting, a test hat trick, wickets and winning performances in at least 2 tests against SA.

But yeah, according to he, he isnt up to much.

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Old 30th December 2017, 23:58   #304
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It wasnít exactly his performances per se that worried people, but the appearance of having forgotten how heíd made runs and taken wickets previously. As has been mentioned he had a finger injury and his confidence was at rock bottom. I share your optimism that Ali will come good again, but he will have to exorcise the nightmare of this tour.
I don't think it's a mental issue at all. He scores runs by being aggressive with the bat, which e was early on in the tour, played rash shots, got out and got criticised. Since then, he has looked to stay in but just gotten some pearlers from lyon. Nothing wrong with that in a team that hasnt done much better.

Dropping him from the final test doesnt make sense because England don't have Rashid or someone even close to him in the squad. No idea what anyone else can improve upon.

Maybe a rest would do him good and he can come back refreshed for the ODIs, where I believe he'll feel more comfortable.
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Old 31st December 2017, 00:59   #305
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A batting average of almost 40, with 4 centuries, coupled with 70 wickets in tests. Another century in ODIs while spending most of his time batting too low, a terrific strike rate and bowling that can be useful at times. He was crucial for England in India with his batting, a test hat trick, wickets and winning performances in at least 2 tests against SA.

But yeah, according to he, he isnt up to much.

That you hadn’t to go to batting and ODIs kinda well you get it.

Anyway Boycs in the Telegraph calling for England’s to stop messing about and get a proper spinner - he’s correct.
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Old 31st December 2017, 08:53   #306
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18 months have been exceptional ? If you rule out Sri Lanka, Bangladesh , West Indies and Ashes. Yes ...
Why would you rule out Bangladesh and Sri Lanka? He was our best bowler in the Bangladesh series and his batting was very useful in the Sri Lanka series when we didn't really need a spinner.

He's been **** poor in the ashes no doubt.
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Old 31st December 2017, 11:43   #307
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The obsessive Scots-sounding poster is going to be devastated if Mo is dropped. His life will probably have no purpose.
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That you hadn’t to go to batting and ODIs kinda well you get it.

Anyway Boycs in the Telegraph calling for England’s to stop messing about and get a proper spinner - he’s correct.
Trouble is we need a proper spinner who can bat a bit. Even a Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey would do.
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Why would you rule out Bangladesh and Sri Lanka? He was our best bowler in the Bangladesh series and his batting was very useful in the Sri Lanka series when we didn't really need a spinner.

He's been **** poor in the ashes no doubt.
He bowling average against Sri Lanka is dire home and away. We face them next winter.

No doubt we will stick some debutant who can bat a bit onto the plane to Columbo and wonder why we lose the series...
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He bowling average against Sri Lanka is dire home and away. We face them next winter.

No doubt we will stick some debutant who can bat a bit onto the plane to Columbo and wonder why we lose the series...
He's never played Sri Lanka away but carry on...

His bowling average was cr*p against them at home but his batting average is 58.
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Trouble is we need a proper spinner who can bat a bit. Even a Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey would do.
Why not just pick the best spinner in the county, period, regardless of his batting ability, like every other country in the world does? This fascination with everyone be able to bat a bit is bizarre, pick bowlers who can take you 20 wickets.
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Trouble is we need a proper spinner who can bat a bit. Even a Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey would do.
Even a Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey?

If only we had someone of their quality, particularly Illingworth's, on the scene now.

I dare say, had he been captain, he'd also have made sure we flew down under with our best set of eligible players, without fear or favour.
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Even a Titmus, Illingworth or Emburey?

If only we had someone of their quality, particularly Illingworth's, on the scene now.
Indeed. Those three - at one time or other - all fulfilled the best realistic function of English spinners down under - keeping an end tight, nicking out batsmen here and there on good pitches, taking advantage of the occasional helpful strip.

That gorgeous drifter with which Illy beat Greg Chappell in the nailbiting final Test of 1970/1....ooh!
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Why not just pick the best spinner in the county, period, regardless of his batting ability, like every other country in the world does? This fascination with everyone be able to bat a bit is bizarre, pick bowlers who can take you 20 wickets.
Because if the best spinner in the country, isnít that much better at bowling than an allrounder, we may as well play to a strength of ours over the past two years, which has been a deep batting lineup.

Who is the best spinner in the country? Leach? If so, he canít do any word than Ali is doing right now, but thereís no way heíd have contributed more to the side than Ali had he replaced him in all tests he played this year.
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Because if the best spinner in the country, isnít that much better at bowling than an allrounder, we may as well play to a strength of ours over the past two years, which has been a deep batting lineup.

Who is the best spinner in the country? Leach? If so, he canít do any word than Ali is doing right now, but thereís no way heíd have contributed more to the side than Ali had he replaced him in all tests he played this year.
Until England select the best spinners on a consistent basis, rather than opting for a shorttermist approach, the art of spin bowling will continue to atrophy and be applied to ODI and T20 forms.

It has taken a couple of decades, arguably, for matters to deteriorate to this point and a quick fix is unlikely.
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Because if the best spinner in the country, isnít that much better at bowling than an allrounder, we may as well play to a strength of ours over the past two years, which has been a deep batting lineup.

Who is the best spinner in the country? Leach? If so, he canít do any word than Ali is doing right now, but thereís no way heíd have contributed more to the side than Ali had he replaced him in all tests he played this year.
Leach is in Australia this winter with the Lions. He's playing lesser opposition and is averaging over 40 with the ball and if you're hoping he offers control he's going at over a run a ball and has yet to bowl a maiden in 30+ overs.

He's only the answer if the question is whose name is going to prompt some Sir Virgs special pleading.
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Leach is in Australia this winter with the Lions. He's playing lesser opposition and is averaging over 40 with the ball and if you're hoping he offers control he's going at over a run a ball and has yet to bowl a maiden in 30+ overs.

He's only the answer if the question is whose name is going to prompt some Sir Virgs special pleading.
He's already been ahead of you there Granny if you have seen his latest response on the conundrum thread!
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Time for a 5th test thread ?
Donít be shy! You can start it if you want....
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