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Old 14th January 2015, 10:50   #101
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That's not quite what Michael Clarke suggested at the funeral though, is it?
Just have a look at the sledging and niggling in the latest series v india, that proves nothing has changed a month after Phils death.
Imo Phils death will have zero impact on the way the games played here, why should it?
All the talk is just that, talk.
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Old 14th January 2015, 10:54   #102
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I actually like a bit of needle in the middle, both as a player and a spectator. However, it did seem from Clarke's eulogy that Australia would seek to tone down the verbals (even if only as a temporary measure). However, as BR has pointed out, talk is cheap.
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Old 14th January 2015, 10:58   #103
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I actually like a bit of needle in the middle, both as a player and a spectator. However, it did seem from Clarke's eulogy that Australia would seek to tone down the verbals (even if only as a temporary measure). However, as BR has pointed out, talk is cheap.
Not one threat of "a broken f------ arm" from either our Captains. Toned it down big time by the looks of it. lol.
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:09   #104
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Not one threat of "a broken f------ arm" from either our Captains. Toned it down big time by the looks of it. lol.
Nah, they just know how to dodge the stump mic now.
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:11   #105
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Nah, they just know how to dodge the stump mic now.
Lol.
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:28   #106
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Imo Phils death will have zero impact on the way the games played here, why should it?
So why say it will? Clarke was lauded for his eulogy. And now we find out it was bull.
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:31   #107
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So why say it will? Clarke was lauded for his eulogy. And now we find out it was bull.
Because people say the things they believe people want to hear in such circumstances. Whether they mean it or not is completely irrelevant. We are in the run up to an election, expect tons and tons of fine examples of this from our MPs.
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:35   #108
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I appreciate that but Clarke's not a politician. Agnew's started the ball rolling and I fully expect our media to get behind him. Apparently the Aussies don't like his comments, good, let's have more of them!
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Old 14th January 2015, 11:44   #109
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I appreciate that but Clarke's not a politician. Agnew's started the ball rolling and I fully expect our media to get behind him. Apparently the Aussies don't like his comments, good, let's have more of them!
What did you expect him to say at the time? "We fully intend to continue calling each other ****ing ***** and threatening to break one anothers bones, it's what Phil would have wanted"? Good luck with that one Clarkey!
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What did you expect him to say at the time?
He didn't have it mention it. Not like a politician being asked questions.
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Old 14th January 2015, 12:36   #111
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He didn't have it mention it. Not like a politician being asked questions.
This. I agree completely. Hollow words inho.
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Old 14th January 2015, 12:39   #112
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He didn't have it mention it. Not like a politician being asked questions.
He probably just let his emotions run away with him a bit.

Personally, I lean towards Boxing Roo's opinion on the matter of sledging.
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I wonder what, say, Warner's reaction might be if the oppo slip cordon started making jokes about his mate's death? So long as the comments weren't of a criminal nature, I guess he and the Aussie team would have no choice but to accept them as fair game.

Not that I'm hoping for one second that such comments be made at a cricket match. But if I was copping a torrent of personal abuse from an opposition, I'd be tempted to retaliate by aiming for the most tender spot (as, for example, Sarwan famously did with McGrath). It highlights the danger of adopting an "anything goes" policy towards sledging in which personal insults are too often considered acceptable - all sledging is technically not allowed so who can arbitrate as to what can and cannot be reasonably said?
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I wonder what, say, Warner's reaction might be if the oppo slip cordon started making jokes about his mate's death? So long as the comments weren't of a criminal nature, I guess he and the Aussie team would have no choice but to accept them as fair game.

Not that I'm hoping for one second that such comments be made at a cricket match. But if I was copping a torrent of personal abuse from an opposition, I'd be tempted to retaliate by aiming for the most tender spot (as, for example, Sarwan famously did with McGrath). It highlights the danger of adopting an "anything goes" policy towards sledging in which personal insults are too often considered acceptable - all sledging is technically not allowed so who can arbitrate as to what can and cannot be reasonably said?
That's exactly what I was thinking. Quite a few that like to dish it out and talk about being tough, still set arbitrary lines that can't be crossed.
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I wonder what, say, Warner's reaction might be if the oppo slip cordon started making jokes about his mate's death? So long as the comments weren't of a criminal nature, I guess he and the Aussie team would have no choice but to accept them as fair game.
I would think the reaction would be quite predictable. Though if an opposition player were cretinous and devoid of common sense enough, go for it.

The "leave it on the field" slogan is a myth anyway. Having played a lot of sport in Aus, it doesn't work this way. What really happens is that what is found acceptable stays on the field. When someone takes exception there is always the period after play, off the field. It does happen, and always has that risk. Worth taking into account a priori.

Though rarely, usually their own players put someone into line when they are (arbitrarily) going too far.

I thought MacGrath should have sucked it up in the circumstances. I also thought Symonds should have sucked it up, or at least Ricky should have handled it differently, despite the rules (though perhaps not when it is seen as inciting racist taunts from the crowd, as in India).

Never been much of a sledger, but I don't mind it so much. If you're going to indulge it, be prepared, not everyone might have the same appreciation...

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The good old "freedom of speech as long as you don't cross the line"

Maybe the Aussies could write a list of what is okay.

I wonder what would happen if someone said something similar to aggerS' quotes in radio times. Does that cross the line?
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The good old "freedom of speech as long as you don't cross the line"

Maybe the Aussies could write a list of what is okay.

I wonder what would happen if someone said something similar to aggerS' quotes in radio times. Does that cross the line?
I would imagine the 'rules' are the same as with the Broad incident the summer before last: the Australians can do / say what they like but everyone else must behave themselves impeccably otherwise toys will be thrown out of the pram.
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The good old "freedom of speech as long as you don't cross the line"

Maybe the Aussies could write a list of what is okay.
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I would imagine the 'rules' are the same as with the Broad incident the summer before last: the Australians can do / say what they like but everyone else must behave themselves impeccably otherwise toys will be thrown out of the pram.
Which Broad incident? The non walkies? I think you'll find the admiration for Broad from Aus fans actually went up appreciably after that.
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Which Broad incident? The non walkies? I think you'll find the admiration for Broad from Aus fans actually went up appreciably after that.
That's not what i remember. There was a huge furore at the first test (some huge banner detailing "we know what you did last summer" for instance) which led to Broad entering the press conference with a newspaper tucked under his arm.
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