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Old 26th May 2015, 22:46   #61
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The D/L method of selection. I like it.
Where's Tim Bresnan? I'm not sure Ali, Woakes (a better choice than Jordan most of the time I think) or Jordan is pivotal enough at 8.
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Old 26th May 2015, 22:58   #62
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The D/L method of selection. I like it.
When's that test match between Yorkshire and England taking place?
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Old 26th May 2015, 23:16   #63
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Fair enough but you could still give us a side of 10. I don't think I'd necessarily pick Morgan either but nor would I rule him out of our next game without seeing what he'll do between now and then.
Alright. Mine would be
Vince (morgan would come in 7 and move Others up one)
Roy
Hales
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Not sure. Not Jordan. Gregory maybe (if it was then he is obviously ahead of broad and probably woakes)
Wood maybe. If not wood then someone fast.

Need to try a few bowlers. If a spin pitch then the extra bowler would be a spinner.
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Old 26th May 2015, 23:32   #64
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Alright. Mine would be
Vince (morgan would come in 7 and move Others up one)
Roy
Hales
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Not sure. Not Jordan. Gregory maybe (if it was then he is obviously ahead of broad and probably woakes)
Wood maybe. If not wood then someone fast.

Need to try a few bowlers. If a spin pitch then the extra bowler would be a spinner.
Are you on glue?
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Old 26th May 2015, 23:51   #65
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Are you on glue?
I tried to get Taylor in but I couldn't. I like him, I really do, I just don't see him in our best side. Sorry.

I am a proper vincetard so would be prepared to discuss vince out for Taylor and hales opens.
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Old 26th May 2015, 23:57   #66
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I tried to get Taylor in but I couldn't. I like him, I really do, I just don't see him in our best side. Sorry.

I am a proper vincetard so would be prepared to discuss vince out for Taylor and hales opens.
Was more of a general enquiry. Your team didn't really inspire my question, just provided the opportunity.
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Old 26th May 2015, 23:59   #67
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I'm going to have to agree with you again, largely. That batting line up offers you the option of going hard throughout an innings unless wickets fall in a rush and even if they do, gives you a chance to rebuild before a final push. To do this effectively England need to use the batting order flexibly. There will be occasions when batting Stokes or Buttler at 3 or 4 (or even at 3 and 4) will be the correct call. I'm heartened that we've gone for a coach with a track record of limited overs success as he will probably be prepared to think in this sort of way.

I don't feel very strongly about Ali's position in the order and certainly it looks a bit bent batting him at 8 (which I wouldn't necessarily do, see above) but he's not generally done well against better sides opening. I could see games in which Taylor didn't bat at all and that would mean we'd done well. I can also see the argument that if we're not often going to have him coming in up the order that we may as well not pick him at all but I don't think it hurts to have one less explosive player in there, bearing in mind that Root can score very fast.

Taylor has a SR of 83 in list A. It's not terrible. He's not Ian Bell (although interestingly cricinfo doesn't know Bell's list A SR).
It's 79.64 (82.72 in non-ODI games)
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It's all very well people naming the XI they would pick, but this is just a way of dodging the more important question: which one of those XI did you write down first?

Maybe we could introduce a new symbol:
* for skipper
+ for keeper
$ for iconic player around whom all other names on the teamsheet revolve?
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Old 27th May 2015, 08:41   #69
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Was more of a general enquiry. Your team didn't really inspire my question, just provided the opportunity.
That's not very nice. I am among a very Small minority of people on this board who actually predicted the the last correctly. Most on here can't see beyond their hate of cook, bell, broad, moeen, Jimmy, ballance or someone else. I tried hating someone in the england side in 2004-2006 and it ate into my soul. It is much easier just to support the team and celebrate one of our greatest ever openers who has won an ashes series and tour of India as skipper.
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Old 27th May 2015, 10:32   #70
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That's not very nice. I am among a very Small minority of people on this board who actually predicted the the last correctly. Most on here can't see beyond their hate of cook, bell, broad, moeen, Jimmy, ballance or someone else. I tried hating someone in the england side in 2004-2006 and it ate into my soul. It is much easier just to support the team and celebrate one of our greatest ever openers who has won an ashes series and tour of India as skipper.
I can only remember one concrete prediction you made which was that England would score 600 in their second innings. Strangely though I never felt that strongly that England were doomed in this match, even at 30/4 or 75/3. The game seemed to have its own momentum pushing it towards a climactic finale.
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No, I'm saying the side should be built around someone like Stokes, not someone like Taylor. ...
Building a side around someone is a hackneyed and much repeated phrase but doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. It has little meaning.

Team selection is always a balance between picking the best team and developing a number of younger players. The balance will shift as series progress and players age.
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When's that test match between Yorkshire and England taking place?
When England can give us a good game, I think.
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That's not very nice.
Potentially I agree with you, not sure where my head was at the time.

I apologise.
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That's not very nice. I am among a very Small minority of people on this board who actually predicted the the last correctly.
Are you saying you stuck your neck out?
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It's 79.64 (82.72 in non-ODI games)
Thank you. Hmm, rather suggests that Taylor's list A record doesn't really put him in the more dynamic than Ian Bell camp after all. I suppose that leaves the question of whether we want someone in that role whose run expectancy may be quite high but scoring rate will mostly not be. I'd still be tempted to pack him as insurance against collapses.
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I agree that their should be a main spinner in the team. But on fast pitches spin didn't works too much. So part time spinner can also bring same results as the main spinners. As per Ben Stokes is concerned he show and all rounder show and played important role to bring victory for England in first Test Match against New Zealand.
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Building a side around someone is a hackneyed and much repeated phrase but doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. It has little meaning.

Team selection is always a balance between picking the best team and developing a number of younger players. The balance will shift as series progress and players age.
Your man Boycott says you have to find the rough diamonds and polish them, speaking of players such as Ben Stokes. Flintoff was a great example of that in a different time past.

Looking at the challenge of 2019, for the World Cup in England, we have got to start from the correct premise re the composition of the team. That means Root, Buttler and Stokes (for he has now arrived, no mistake) at the core as players who have demonstrated they have the aptitude and toughness to take their performance to the next level.

Build around them and we have a chance of doing far better than the embarrassment Down Under.
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D/L doesn't agree with giving young players time to find their feet...

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Your man Boycott says you have to find the rough diamonds and polish them, speaking of players such as Ben Stokes. Flintoff was a great example of that in a different time past.

Looking at the challenge of 2019, for the World Cup in England, we have got to start from the correct premise re the composition of the team. That means Root, Buttler and Stokes (for he has now arrived, no mistake) at the core as players who have demonstrated they have the aptitude and toughness to take their performance to the next level.

Build around them and we have a chance of doing far better than the embarrassment Down Under.
OK, but can you be a bit more explicit about what you mean by the bits in bold?

Do these phrases mean that when you convene your selection panel you're going to start with these three in the team no matter what, and only discuss the remaining 8 places? If so, that sounds like a recipe for trouble -- because what if one of these three has consistently played badly for some time? Isn't that what they did with Cook after the last World Cup? It meant hanging on to him for some time after they should have dropped him. Wouldn't it be better just to pick all 11 players during the selection meeting, all on the same basis? Obviously if a player is doing badly one has to make a decision about if and when to drop him. And that will depend on one's hunches about his prospects of returning swiftly to his best, and it will depend upon who else is on the fringes and how you feel about them. But I don't see any advantage in singling out people for preferential treatment in advance.

Or do the bits in bold mean that those players get to bat in their preferred positions? Because if that's the case, I don't think we know what those preferred positions might be. Or do they mean that you get to decide yourself where you think those players would bat best and that you're intending to be inflexible about that when discussing selection for future matches?

I'm just a bit confused by what is being suggested. The analogy seems foreign to the task.
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