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Old 3rd January 2016, 15:33   #141
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Comparing Kallis to Stokes this early, or in fact at any time of his career is quite simply ridiculous

Yes I like Stokes but the continual expectation to bat as he does consistantly is a non starter

Kallis is without doubt the best all round of my generation and arguably of all time
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Comparing Kallis to Stokes this early, or in fact at any time of his career is quite simply ridiculous

Yes I like Stokes but the continual expectation to bat as he does consistantly is a non starter

Kallis is without doubt the best all round of my generation and arguably of all time
Comparing them 'this early'? There's no comparison and never will be. They are as different as chalk and cheese. He's a man who can produce amazing innings like this, but won't be doing so all the time. Hopefully there will be more of them, but currently he is a player of great innings, not a great player per se. But you wouldn't want to leave him out, would you?
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Old 3rd January 2016, 16:13   #143
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Comparing them 'this early'? There's no comparison and never will be. They are as different as chalk and cheese. He's a man who can produce amazing innings like this, but won't be doing so all the time. Hopefully there will be more of them, but currently he is a player of great innings, not a great player per se. But you wouldn't want to leave him out, would you?

So why the stats comparisons then?

No, I would not leave him out of this current England team - But include him or Kallis....?
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Old 3rd January 2016, 16:26   #144
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Comparing them 'this early'? There's no comparison and never will be. They are as different as chalk and cheese. He's a man who can produce amazing innings like this, but won't be doing so all the time. Hopefully there will be more of them, but currently he is a player of great innings, not a great player per se. But you wouldn't want to leave him out, would you?
true. Kallis was a great batsman who could bowl a bit. in fact he reputedly didn't like bowling. Stokes is more in the Ian Botham mould, generally explosive but hard to say which of his discaplines is better.

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Old 3rd January 2016, 16:42   #145
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true. Kallis was a great batsman who could bowl a bit. in fact he reputedly didn't like bowling. Stokes is more in the Ian Botham mould, generally explosive but hard to say which of his diceplines is better.
No - I have heard Smithy say that Kallis was a "reluctant" bowler but when he did take the ball you could not get him off it

I accept Botham and Stokes were as equally proficient at both aspects but it gets right my tits when people compare anyone to Kallis, critique his methods or post ridiculous stats

I hope by the end his career Stoko can swap his bowling and batting stats about - Bothams batting stats are nothing to get exited about
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No - I have heard Smithy say that Kallis was a "reluctant" bowler but when he did take the ball you could not get him off it

I accept Botham and Stokes were as equally proficient at both aspects but it gets right my tits when people compare anyone to Kallis, critique his methods or post ridiculous stats

I hope by the end his career he can swap his bowling and batting stats about - Bothams batting stats are nothing to get exited about
Botham played the odd great innings but nobody could call him a great batsman. Botham's overall stats suffered because he steadily declined throughout his career. After the age of 30 he was a shadow of the player he was. Everybody remembers him as he was in his early years.
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After the age of 30 he was a shadow of the player he was. Everybody remembers him as he was in his early years.


Good point - I think he only got 50 once in his last 20 test or so

Saying that I did not mention Botham as I think he is a ****
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So why the stats comparisons then?

No, I would not leave him out of this current England team - But include him or Kallis....?
What stats comparisons? I'm not the one comparing the two players.
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What stats comparisons? I'm not the one comparing the two players.
No you were not comparing the two players - Sorry If my quote infered to you that comment was aimed at you

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The true comparison will come when Stokes decides its time for the hair transplant.

Kallis' rug was a thing of beauty, but for Stokes only time will tell.

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No you were not comparing the two players - Sorry If my quote infered to you that comment was aimed at you

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As far as I can tell, those stats comparisons show fairly conclusively that Stokes's highest test score is higher than Kallis's and that Stokes's best test bowling figures are better than Kallis's. It's up to you what further conclusions to make or not make on the basis of those stats, but there's no point in taking against them in themselves; one might as well object to needing oxygen in order to survive.
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The true comparison will come when Stokes decides its time for the hair transplant.

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Loads. And he can drink loads too. I'd also be prepared to place a small wager that his Dad is harder than Kallis' Dad too.
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As far as I can tell, those stats comparisons show fairly conclusively that Stokes's highest test score is higher than Kallis's and that Stokes's best test bowling figures are better than Kallis's. It's up to you what further conclusions to make or not make on the basis of those stats, but there's no point in taking against them in themselves; one might as well object to needing oxygen in order to survive.
I did reply to your post but it has disappeared and I can be bothered to re do it but it was a good one

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Comparing Kallis to Stokes this early, or in fact at any time of his career is quite simply ridiculous

Yes I like Stokes but the continual expectation to bat as he does consistantly is a non starter

Kallis is without doubt the best all round of my generation and arguably of all time
I'd agree with all of that.

People seem to set such store by the numbers in a single innings though and forget the context (bit streaky and against a woeful attack on a great batting pitch).
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Comparing Kallis to Stokes this early, or in fact at any time of his career is quite simply ridiculous

Yes I like Stokes but the continual expectation to bat as he does consistantly is a non starter

Kallis is without doubt the best all round of my generation and arguably of all time
A better comparison at this stage of Stokes' career might be Jessop.
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Botham played the odd great innings but nobody could call him a great batsman. Botham's overall stats suffered because he steadily declined throughout his career. After the age of 30 he was a shadow of the player he was. Everybody remembers him as he was in his early years.
To provide some context again, a few years of Botham's career coincided with World Series Cricket when many of the world's best players did not play test cricket.
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To provide some context again, a few years of Botham's career coincided with World Series Cricket when many of the world's best players did not play test cricket.
That affected just two series for Botham - the three match contest v Pakistan at home in 1978 and the away Ashes in 1978/9.
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It was some time after World Series cricket that the international boards became reconciled with the players who had taken part, so Botham benefitted rather more than one may think.
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