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Old 12th September 2016, 12:06   #201
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He (and Stoneman) is currently playing for Durham against Surrey, a match for which Surrey have omitted Steve Davies (and Harinath) to accommodate the returning Roy & Ansari after international duty and injury respectively. It's a dead rubber for Surrey but they appear to have fielded their strongest four day side ahead of Saturday's cup final, which makes me wonder whether Davies has made up his mind to go to Somerset now and may not return for the cup final?
Sounds like Harinath will lose his place next season. Lancs should be looking at him.
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Old 12th September 2016, 12:33   #202
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Durham departures -

Scott Borthwick toSurrey now confirmed.

Asher Hart (he with the middle name Halle-Bopp) has joined Hampshire after playing one FC game.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport...ollow-11873354

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"To lose two home-grown players [Borthwick and Stoneman] of such quality is a massive blow to Durham, who have let Phil Mustard, Gordon Muchall, Jamie Harrison and Calum MacLeod leave as well as spinner Gurman Randhawa, the second teamís leading wicket-taker."

No mention of Asher Hart.
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Old 12th September 2016, 12:37   #203
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"To lose two home-grown players [Borthwick and Stoneman] of such quality is a massive blow to Durham, who have let Phil Mustard, Gordon Muchall, Jamie Harrison and Calum MacLeod leave as well as spinner Gurman Randhawa, the second teamís leading wicket-taker."

No mention of Asher Hart.
Asher Hart is not official. In fact the club are steaming as no official approach was made. He's gone though. 2 year deal at Hants.
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Old 12th September 2016, 19:39   #204
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The departure of Borthwick and Stoneman is a massive blow to Durham. I bet Keaton Jennings is regretting signing a new four year contract. Durham have a massive task finding two quality batsmen to replace Stoneman and Borthwick.

The losses of Mustard, Muchall, Harrison, McLeod, Randhawa and Hart are less of a problem in my opinion.

It does leave Durham with just 19 players by my reckoning:

Batsmen (5)

Collingwood (c)
Jennings (one-day captain)
Burnham
Clark
Stokes

Keepers (2)

Poynter
Richardson

Spinners (2)

Hickey
Pringle

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Arshad
Carse
Coughlin J
Coughlin P
Main
McCarthy
Onions
Rushworth
Weighell
Wood

Total squad 19 players
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Old 13th September 2016, 10:56   #205
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Sounds like Harinath will lose his place next season. Lancs should be looking at him.
I thought Harinath was still under contract at Surrey for another year. In any case, I'm not sure he'd be an improvement on what Lancs already have as first choice; he'd be a useful squad player, as he is for Surrey, but he turns 30 next April. He's Surrey through and through, born locally and associated with the county's age group teams since primary school age. A few decades ago all counties would carry a few mature players like him, who played for the II's and stepped in to do a job for the first XI as and when needed, rather than moving to other counties or leaving the first class game altogether as happens these days.
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Old 13th September 2016, 12:10   #206
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"To lose two home-grown players [Borthwick and Stoneman] of such quality is a massive blow to Durham, who have let Phil Mustard, Gordon Muchall, Jamie Harrison and Calum MacLeod leave as well as spinner Gurman Randhawa, the second teamís leading wicket-taker."

No mention of Asher Hart.
In Borthwick's case he has gone backwards as a spinner, although I've seen him bowl a couple of times this season and I felt his control was better than for two or three seasons. A bit sad for Durham and they are my favorite first class county as I was working there when they made their first class debut. I'm sure money played a part in his decision, but I think playing at The Oval will help his development as all rounder. I think the uncertainty over this decision probably affected his form and prevented him pushing on and getting in to the England team this summer as a batsman, but maybe will result in him developing in to the player I thought he would become a couple of years ago.
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Old 13th September 2016, 12:14   #207
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I thought Harinath was still under contract at Surrey for another year. In any case, I'm not sure he'd be an improvement on what Lancs already have as first choice; he'd be a useful squad player, as he is for Surrey, but he turns 30 next April. He's Surrey through and through, born locally and associated with the county's age group teams since primary school age. A few decades ago all counties would carry a few mature players like him, who played for the II's and stepped in to do a job for the first XI as and when needed, rather than moving to other counties or leaving the first class game altogether as happens these days.
So he would prefer playing in the second XI to moving. We have had a few players like that as well. Has he ever been out on loan?
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Old 13th September 2016, 13:07   #208
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So he would prefer playing in the second XI to moving. We have had a few players like that as well. Has he ever been out on loan?
I've no idea whether he prefers playing for Surrey II's, or if he's had any offers to go elsewhere. He's never gone out on loan, but on a few occasions he's come into the first XI, done well, then kept his place for a while. Obviously with Stoneman and Borthwick arriving there's stiffer competition for places, but then in looks like Davies is leaving, Roy is missing increasing numbers of games on England duty, and if one other player gets injured or called up for England, or Sangakkara disappears to play in a T20 tournament etc.... he may still play a useful part.
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I've no idea whether he prefers playing for Surrey II's, or if he's had any offers to go elsewhere. He's never gone out on loan, but on a few occasions he's come into the first XI, done well, then kept his place for a while. Obviously with Stoneman and Borthwick arriving there's stiffer competition for places, but then in looks like Davies is leaving, Roy is missing increasing numbers of games on England duty, and if one other player gets injured or called up for England, or Sangakkara disappears to play in a T20 tournament etc.... he may still play a useful part.
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Why on earth Notts would want to offer Greg Smith another contract is beyond me!
Well he did get another deal and repaid that faith with the sum total of 14 runs skippering Notts 2 at Scarborough.

In other news Sam Wood is available after being released, which was inevitable!
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Old 14th September 2016, 20:27   #211
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Old 14th September 2016, 21:43   #212
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Davies has confirmed he is leaving Surrey after turning down a contract. Expect he will end up at Somerset.
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I have heard murmurs of Steven Davies moving to Somerset from Surrey and getting back the gloves. Any truth in this?
Sounds like might be true. Good signing if true.
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Confirmed we have signed him. he can help the other Davies improve.
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Confirmed we have signed him. he can help the other Davies improve.
Yep very good signing that. Assuming he takes the gloves, where will he fit in the batting order? Replacing Rogers (assuming he retires which he hinted at recently) at 3, or is that too high while he's keeping?
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Who are the top bowlers on the market this year?
Essex seem to be hiring batsmen but not bowlers. I'd say you'll struggle to take 20 wickets next season with the attack you'll have once Masters and Napier are gone. Perhaps there's a new plan, bank on scoring 600 every game with eight batsmen and not worry about the opposition scoring 700.
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Losing Napier and Masters is 99 wickets we'll have to replace.

A batting line-up of

1. Cook
2. Chopra
3. Browne
4. Westley
5. Bopara
6. Lawrence
7. ten Doeschate
8. Foster

with Wheater in reserve is the strongest in the division, but we'll need some bowling recruits to support Porter and Bopara. An overseas will presumably be one of them, Quinn is decent cover. Maybe Essex can sign Ball who will be wanting first division cricket to push his England chances and re-sign Topley as everyone else is returning to Essex.
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Losing Napier and Masters is 99 wickets we'll have to replace.

A batting line-up of

1. Cook
2. Chopra
3. Browne
4. Westley
5. Bopara
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7. ten Doeschate
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with Wheater in reserve is the strongest in the division
That, I'm afraid is delusional.
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That, I'm afraid is delusional.
It's not a bad batting line up at all with Cook playing, although it declines a long way without him. If you're comparing line ups with the internationals playing though, Yorkshire is a lot stronger, even though that means Ballance featuring.
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It's not a bad batting line up at all with Cook playing, although it declines a long way without him. If you're comparing line ups with the internationals playing though, Yorkshire is a lot stronger, even though that means Ballance featuring.
Yes, Cook makes a huge difference. The key thing is that he doesn't play limited overs for England. This means he actually gets to play for Essex in a way that Johnny Bairstow and Joe Root in particular don't for Yorks. This season, for example, Cook's played more matches for Essex than Root and Bairstow combined have for Yorks. Obviously if those two were playing semi-regularly for Yorks than it changes things as they are probably England's no.1 and 3 batsmen (if Cook's the no.2).

I think Yorkshire had Rashid at 6 and Hodd at 8 in their recent match. Good players, but Essex clearly had the edge with Wheater and Foster (22 fc hundreds) in those roles.

I don't think there's a better no.8 in county cricket than Foster now that Woakes has graduated to internationals.

Anyway, that's off topic and Essex desperately need another bowler for next year.
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