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Old 19th July 2018, 10:28   #1941
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I thought he was dropped from the test side because Root didn't want him.
Probably just tittle-tattle.

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I think it's also a stretch to suggest he's a wasted talent at test level. Although he may not have got the run he perhaps deserved, he hardly pulled up trees. And there are plenty of very good wrist spinners at one day level who are unsuited to the longer format. Rashid fits that mould, I'm afraid, and has made a sensible decision for all concerned, focusing on the more important formats of the game to him.
It's taken a good run in ODI cricket for Rashid to become almost an automatic selection.

I can see no reason to think the same may have been true for test cricket. Sadly, it seems now we will never know.
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Old 19th July 2018, 11:30   #1942
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... I think the horse has bolted when it comes to Adil and Tests, we had the chance to give him a go at home but picked Dawson instead.
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Yes, probably a little late now to undo some earlier, very poor decision making by the ECB re Rashid. ...
It's not too late. He's fit, his bowling has improved appreciably since his last test, and as far as I know he hasn't announced his retirement from test cricket. So if England want Adil in the test side they can pick him, and then the ball would be in his court either to play or to refuse to. If they don't pick him in the test side it must be because they don't want him to be in it.

The only way I can see round that is if some kind of negotiation has gone on behind the scenes, whereby the ECB said to Rashid, "We may want to pick you in the test side but we don't want to negotiate in public, so please tell us, if we picked you for a test would you refuse to play?" and he said "Yes I would." But if that has happened then you'd think England would drop him from the white-ball formats for being a fussy bvgger and just move on.
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Old 19th July 2018, 12:45   #1943
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He's a Championship level all-rounder. What about all the specialist batsmen who have to stand around in the field all day!
I don't think many of the specialist batsman like it much either but for most of them it's their only work so they have to put up with it, Adil probably thinks he can get some T20 contracts abroad.
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Old 19th July 2018, 12:45   #1944
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Neither Bess nor Leach doing much in the Lions game to push their case.
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Old 19th July 2018, 13:18   #1945
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I think it's also a stretch to suggest he's a wasted talent at test level. Although he may not have got the run he perhaps deserved, he hardly pulled up trees. And there are plenty of very good wrist spinners at one day level who are unsuited to the longer format. Rashid fits that mould, I'm afraid, and has made a sensible decision for all concerned, focusing on the more important formats of the game to him.
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Old 19th July 2018, 13:55   #1946
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Bit harsh to judge a player that has never played a home test.
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Old 19th July 2018, 14:39   #1947
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Indeed. Good point, well made.
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Bit harsh to judge a player that has never played a home test.
The location of the tests is irrelevant. I guess you could argue 10 tests isn't a large enough sample size to write off a player (but I would disagree in the case of Rashid).
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Old 19th July 2018, 15:12   #1949
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The location of the tests is irrelevant. I guess you could argue 10 tests isn't a large enough sample size to write off a player (but I would disagree in the case of Rashid).
And yet we are in a long run of sides doing so much better at home.

Would you have us believe that is nothing to do with the players taking part in them being more familiar with the conditions than their opponents?
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Also think people are getting carried away with one great delivery. Rashid may never bowl another one like it.
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Neither Bess nor Leach doing much in the Lions game to push their case.
They only got 24 overs to bowl between them in 2 innings. Tough gig, but a good match for Currans at least.

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Bit harsh to judge a player that has never played a home test.
Maybe, maybe not. Clearly England didn't feel comfortable with him as their test bowler, and he didn't feel comfortable filling that role.

I would suggest England have a far better chance of winning the world cup with him focusing on becoming the best ODI bowler he can, rather than splitting time with test cricket. I think this is the right way to go, as winning the WC next year should be the priority that supercedes all else. I accept others may well disagree.

It is highly likely that his improvement as an ODI bowler has come as a consequence of him dropping out of first class matches, rather than in spite of.
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I see two Guardian headlines ..

19 July Adil Rashid set for recall to England Test team after one-day heroics
18 July Moeen Aliís one-day form puts him in line for England Test recall
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Old 20th July 2018, 00:06   #1953
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I see two Guardian headlines ..

19 July Adil Rashid set for recall to England Test team after one-day heroics
18 July Moeen Aliís one-day form puts him in line for England Test recall
Aliís one day form where he got 2 wickets in 3 games at a strike rate of 90 ????
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Aliís one day form where he got 2 wickets in 3 games at a strike rate of 90 ????
That's what I thought.
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Neither Bess nor Leach doing much in the Lions game to push their case.
See Leach didn't bowl in the 2nd innings. Injured again?
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See Leach didn't bowl in the 2nd innings. Injured again?
I thought he bowled and had the best strike rate of any bowler in the second innings
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I thought he bowled and had the best strike rate of any bowler in the second innings
Must have had a glitch. Though he only bowled 2 overs taking 1-13. Sam Curran had the best strike rate taking 2-17.
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Aliís one day form where he got 2 wickets in 3 games at a strike rate of 90 ????
Someone didn't watch the series and how many problems mo caused. Anyone who saw the second match fully understands that moeen's spell was decisive. He got one wicket but had a couple dropped. They couldn't score and run rate got out of control. Adil came on and got wickets benefitting from moeen's economy. This was a great example of bowling in pairs.

Some might argue that Rashid was written off a test player based on his mediocre county record.
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Must have had a glitch. Though he only bowled 2 overs taking 1-13. Sam Curran had the best strike rate taking 2-17.
Best average...not leach had best strike rate
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Old 20th July 2018, 12:20   #1960
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Do we believe that Rashid is the best FC spinner in the country? If yes pick him, if no move on.
Ali is a different case IMO - if we are going to play two spinners I think he should be one of them because of his all round skills.

Personally I believe (and hope) that Leach is the best spinner - but he needs some overs under his belt.
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