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Old 29th September 2017, 17:28   #281
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Strange that Ball replaced Willey to strengthen the bowling in the absence of Stokes. A strange move especially returns like today aren't unusual for him in ODI's. Willey couldn't have done any worse and provides a batting option.
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Old 29th September 2017, 17:44   #282
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Gayle is such an enigma, what is a good ball one over can disappear over long off the next. In fact, they could even be identical deliveries bowled successively.

What Ball failed to do was change his pace. He can do it, why he didn't is a worry, suggests he froze maybe?
Double bluff?
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Old 29th September 2017, 18:05   #283
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4-0 coming up. W.Indies have some talent. Hope they use it wisely. England look good at the 50 over game right now.
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Old 29th September 2017, 18:14   #284
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Willey couldn't have done any worse and provides a batting option.
Err. Yes he could. And never bowls all 10 overs any more.
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Old 29th September 2017, 18:20   #285
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I went out for a couple of hours and although Windies had a respectable last few overs, it really should be a stroll. Can Jason Roy actually convert?
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Old 29th September 2017, 18:35   #286
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I went out for a couple of hours and although Windies had a respectable last few overs, it really should be a stroll. Can Jason Roy actually convert?
NOPE. LOLZ.
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Old 29th September 2017, 18:35   #287
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I went out for a couple of hours and although Windies had a respectable last few overs, it really should be a stroll. Can Jason Roy actually convert?
Nope.
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Old 29th September 2017, 19:11   #288
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I think if I were picking a WC team for tomorrow, Morgan would struggle to get in.

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Bairstow
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Ali
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Plunkett
11. Wood

12. Morgan
13. Dawson
14. Curran S
15. Curran T

Think he would just about make my squad as you'd want an experienced head to come in for a big game at short notice. I think we need to bin Willey and Ball in this format.
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Old 29th September 2017, 19:18   #289
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I think if I were picking a WC team for tomorrow, Morgan would struggle to get in.

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Bairstow
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Ali
8. Woakes
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10. Plunkett
11. Wood

12. Morgan
13. Dawson
14. Curran S
15. Curran T

Think he would just about make my squad as you'd want an experienced head to come in for a big game at short notice. I think we need to bin Willey and Ball in this format.
He's had a decent year with the bat in ODIs though from what I remember. Just goes to show the depth we have. Such a shame we had to play the semi final of CT away from home against the only team in the tournament with a Welshman in it or else he'd have lifted a world trophy too.
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Old 29th September 2017, 19:23   #290
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Nope.
Very close this time, though...
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Bairstow.. Texted my friend, who I'm dog sitting for right now, the other week..'We're f....ing lucky to have these two'.. Bairstow and Stokes..same age roughly..both determined and passionate young men..fire in the eyes and belly..one seems to be more in control off the field. Shame if they cannot play together for England for years to come.
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4-0 coming up. W.Indies have some talent. Hope they use it wisely. England look good at the 50 over game right now.
Hope they can rake up enough dosh to keep their best players in test matches. They should give the likes of Gayle and Samuels the heave-ho immediately. Has-beens.

Forget the Bravos. Forget the past. They cannot afford to pay the money that the IPL has to offer. As a conglomeration of 6-7+ different nations, they are doing well. You can name about 5 or 6 of the WIndies cricketers who could go on to emulate the likes of great Windies greats. I don't see the likes of Lara, Lloyd, Richards, Garner, Holding etc etc in squalor. They have 11 young players to give any side in the world a game. Why does Lewis not get into their test team?
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Old 29th September 2017, 22:53   #293
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Haven't seen any of the match but Ball's expense is a slight worry - after a really good start in ODIs he seems to have lost it somewhat. Still a player I have quite high hopes for - probably more so in tests - so hopefully he comes out the other side of it better for the experience of being Gayled.
I did think he'd make a better test player than in the shorter formats. I wouldn't worry so much about him being Gayled, it happens to plenty of players, people say he should have bowled a slower ball but didn't he actually do that and it get dispatched anyway? I was only watching not listening but one of them certainly looked like a slower one....
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Bairstow.. Texted my friend, who I'm dog sitting for right now, the other week..'We're f....ing lucky to have these two'.. Bairstow and Stokes..same age roughly..both determined and passionate young men..fire in the eyes and belly..one seems to be more in control off the field. Shame if they cannot play together for England for years to come.
Stokes may have blotted his copybook, but hey ho. We still have 5 or 6 players who other international teams would drool over. In any format. Bairstow may not be the best keeper in the world, Mo not the best spinner, Woakes is a bit of a sick-note, Cook and Root get runs. Regularly. We trusted Tres, Strauss, Hussain, and many others on Ashes tours. Stokes will be a sad loss. Hameed and Plunkett should replace him. (Is there some reason why the squad has to be 16?). Ball bowled the biggest load of tripe I have seen for a time today. So did Jimmy when early on in his career.
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...given Root's evaluation of Rashid's test match suitability.
Any evidence for that or is it just rumour?

Not unhappy to see the end of this one-sided series but at least that, and incidents elsewhere, enabled us to try out a few more players. Curran's figures weren't too bad but he looked nothing special and was probably quite fortunate not to have bowled much at Gayle during his short, belligerent phase. He seems to disguise his slower ball quite well but needs to use it less often.

Plunkett bowled well again and Bairstow seems to have batted quite well again too.
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Any evidence for that or is it just rumour?

Not unhappy to see the end of this one-sided series but at least that, and incidents elsewhere, enabled us to try out a few more players. Curran's figures weren't too bad but he looked nothing special and was probably quite fortunate not to have bowled much at Gayle during his short, belligerent phase. He seems to disguise his slower ball quite well but needs to use it less often.

Plunkett bowled well again and Bairstow seems to have batted quite well again too.
I don't get the comments about Curran and Gayle, he did get him out which seems a pretty good way of not having to bowl at him!
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True, but until that point, Curran had bowled mostly at Gayle's batting partner.

Any road up, the catch that got him was probably better than the delivery.
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Any evidence for that or is it just rumour?

Not unhappy to see the end of this one-sided series but at least that, and incidents elsewhere, enabled us to try out a few more players. Curran's figures weren't too bad but he looked nothing special and was probably quite fortunate not to have bowled much at Gayle during his short, belligerent phase. He seems to disguise his slower ball quite well but needs to use it less often.

Plunkett bowled well again and Bairstow seems to have batted quite well again too.
I've seen it mentioned a few times in the press over the last few months and here are a couple of examples suggesting that Root doesn't think Rashid is consistent enough to build pressure in test cricket.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2...g-opportunity/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-favours-brave

Re Curran. He probably needs a fair few more games for more of an evaluation as to his suitability for international cricket. I've seen a bit of him over the last 2/3 years and he's come on a whole heap. He's put on at least a yard of pace in that time and has bulked up. I hope he doesn't overdo the slower ball in a way that a certain Surrey team-mate of his did when he played limited oers international cricket.
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Thanks for that, CM.
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Any road up, the catch that got him was probably better than the delivery.
The catch wouldn't have happened had the bowler not fooled the batsman into belting it way up into the air with an excellent slower ball. That the fielder players for Yorkshire and the bowler for Surrey does not come into it, of course.
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