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Old 6th January 2018, 00:21   #181
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I'd been pondering that as well. I'd get rid of both Vince and Khawaja and move either Malan or Marsh up. I end up with....

Warner
Cook
Malan
Smith
Root
Marsh
Bairstow
Starc
Hazlewood
Anderson
Lyon

Along with Smith, Starc is the other big difference. The ability to take wickets when the pitch is flat is something no one else does as well in this series.
The bowling selection there is 3-1 Australian, and IMHO is a far more relevant indicator of the underlying reasons why we're 3-0 down than the batting.
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:25   #182
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The bowling selection there is 3-1 Australian, and IMHO is a far more relevant indicator of the underlying reasons why we're 3-0 down than the batting.
I think Cummins is unlucky to miss out too. Often made important breakthroughs, and contributed to important batting partnerships in all of the 3 alive tests.
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:26   #183
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I will be staggered if smith isn't still batting when we wake up tomorrow.
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:34   #184
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The stand passes 150. One of Australia's more modest Ashes records is the 276 posted by Bradman and Hassett for the 3rd wicket in 1946/7. Hmmm.
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:35   #185
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An accurate observation of today's play. I make no further claims.
I must have missed the qualification "during today's play" or similar...

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So the specialist spinner is no better than the part timer but is a significantly worse batsman?
Nope, I didn't miss it - it wasn't there.

Perhaps a more accurate reflection would have been "in the early part of his first Test outing, the specialist spinner has produced comparable figures with the veteran part timer with nearly fifty tests under his belt." with maybe the rider "although it is of negligible statistical significance".
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:52   #186
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The stand passes 150. One of Australia's more modest Ashes records is the 276 posted by Bradman and Hassett for the 3rd wicket in 1946/7. Hmmm.
Lindsay Hassett, another great Victorian who rarely gets a mention these days.
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Old 6th January 2018, 00:53   #187
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This is looking far too easy for Australia against the new ball. How the heck are we going to take a wicket here?
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Old 6th January 2018, 01:03   #188
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That was an... um interesting defensive shot by Smith.
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Old 6th January 2018, 01:09   #189
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Wow. Just wow. Is this on the basis of 17-0-58-0?
I suspect it is on the basis that he is twenty. Any twenty year old who makes the team and holds down a place could play in eight Ashes series. Someone who is thirty when they make the team is unlikely to do so.

Warne played eight series in fourteen years with a test debut when was 22, Cook is in his seventh starting at 21.
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How in the name of God is Tom Curran getting a bowl for England? Honestly, if he's the best youngster we've got we might as well pack up and call it a day. Shocking.
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Well England have finally got Smith out just before lunch to give them a chance of bowling out Australia today.

They could have had Khawaja out lbw too if Crane didn't bowl a no ball, bad enough when a pace bowler oversteps but unforgivable for a spinner.
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Graeme Swann has changed his tune. He used to go on and on about no-balls, how fast bowlers have no business ever bowling no-balls and the habit should be stamped out in the nets so it never happened in a match. And as for spin bowlers, absolutely no excuse ever ever. Heís just had a ten minute rant about the 3rd umpire calling Crane for a no-ball because no part of the heel was behind the line. Swann claims thereís enough doubt to suggest it was. Heís wrong, sadly. Iíll assume he was just really disappointed that the debutant spinner didnít get his first wicket.
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I will be staggered if smith isn't still batting when we wake up tomorrow.
Prepare to be staggered. And guess who got him out?
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Prepare to be staggered. And guess who got him out?
Smith got out AND Ali got a wicket? The fix is in.
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Old 6th January 2018, 03:46   #195
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Smith got out AND Ali got a wicket? The fix is in.
Nah, forward planning from Oz. Persuade England Smith has a weakness against fingerspin in the hope they'll see Smith as Ali's bunny.

Keeps Ali in the team for the next Ashes, and misdirects from the real chink in Smith's armour which is when the conditions allow the ball to swing.
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With the heat tomorrow, I won't be surprised if Aus aim to bat well past lunch to save their bowlers the worst of the weather and suck the life out of England completely. It could get gnarly.
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Crane bowling well, getting Khawaja stumped and troubling the other Aussie batsmen, he could be a real handful if he gets a chance to bowl on the last day.

His control is quite impressive for a guy bowling in his first test, he looks to have a big future.
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Well England have finally got Smith out just before lunch to give them a chance of bowling out Australia today.

Well that was optimistic.
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Wow. Just wow. Is this on the basis of 17-0-58-0?
Personally I think he's been given a raw deal, given ONE Test down under with the likelihood he won't be picked in the summer because it's English conditions and Ali can bat, and I'd extend not being picked in the summer to most if not all home Ashes series, so the theory Crane might play 8 Ashes series is naÔve if nothing else.

Yesterday I had a flick through some of the likelier series to see how many spinners had played since and including the last Ashes series down under and how many caps they have overall.

60 Swann*
50 Panesar*
48 Ali
10 Rashid
9 Batty
6 Patel
3 Dawson
3 Ansari
2 Tredwell
1 Borthwick
1 Crane

*careers right at their very end. Speaks volumes that the next most after the first choice is just 10, even though in a cycle that long you'd be playing Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies, New Zealand, plenty of opportunity which is also pretty much spelled out if you look in the fact that EIGHT have been picked since and including 13/14 other than Ali and the bottom line is spinners are one of the biggest victims of England selection policies (such that they are)

Swann played so many Tests as he was actually streets ahead as the best, Panesar threatened to be good but not quite as good but still ahead of the rest, whilst Giles and Ali could bat and "keep it tight" so any time someone comes along like that they are a shoe in, especially with English conditions not the best for spin but England always want options....



Real question is when will we see Crane again, and much of the answer may depend on how he develops in county cricket (and when we next play India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka away)
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How in the name of God is Tom Curran getting a bowl for England? Honestly, if he's the best youngster we've got we might as well pack up and call it a day. Shocking.
He can bat. Nuff said, he's in for years.
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