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Old 14th July 2009, 16:38   #341
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Strike Rates

South Africa
Steyn 39.2
Ntini 52.6
Morkel 56.3
Kallis 66.0
Harris 71.5

For me South Africa has the right combination of 3 strike bowlers who have strike rates of under 60. Harris should get his strike rate down into the sixties soon and all rounders are usually in the 60s.

Australia
Lee 53.3
Clark 54.0
Johnson 62.8
Siddle 66.7
Hauritz 68.6
Hilfenhaus 83.5

Lee, Clark, Johnson (a/r) and Hauritz are fine and Siddle and Hilfenhaus are just starting out and I expect those s/rs to go down.

England (f/c in brackets)
Onions 27.3 - (48.6)
Anderson 59.2 - (50.3)
Harmison 59.3 - (53.5)
Swann 63.1 - (66.1)
Flintoff 65.6 - (64.8)
Panesar 71.7 - (67.8)
Broad 73.4 - (53.2)

We went into the Test at Cardiff with 4 bowlers who have a s/r in the 60s and 70s (two spinners and two all rounders). Looking at the figures we would have been better going in with the top 5 on the list.
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Old 26th July 2009, 15:55   #342
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Wickets taken against left and right handed batsmen

R/H 64.7% - L/H 35.2% - Johnson
R/H 63.6% - L/H 36.3% - Sidebottom

R/H 61.5% - L/H 38.4% - Onions
R/H 62.5% - L/H 37.5% - Hilfenhaus
R/H 68.4% - L/H 31.5% - Flintoff
R/H 70.0% - L/H 30.0% - Broad
R/H 70.1% - L/H 29.8% - Anderson
R/H 73.3% - L/H 26.6% - Harmison
R/H 74.1% - L/H 25.8% - Lee
R/H 76.6% - L/H 23.3% - Clark
R/H 78.5% - L/H 21.4% - Watson
R/H 86.1% - L/H 13.8% - Siddle

The top five bowlers on the list are the most effective to both right and left handers. Another left handed bowler Zaheer Khan (58.0/41.9) shows the benefit of having a left arm bowler.
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Old 26th July 2009, 15:57   #343
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Where is Ian Pont these days?
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Old 27th July 2009, 14:47   #344
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Wickets taken against left and right handed batsmen

R/H 64.7% - L/H 35.2% - Johnson
R/H 63.6% - L/H 36.3% - Sidebottom

R/H 61.5% - L/H 38.4% - Onions
R/H 62.5% - L/H 37.5% - Hilfenhaus
R/H 68.4% - L/H 31.5% - Flintoff
R/H 70.0% - L/H 30.0% - Broad
R/H 70.1% - L/H 29.8% - Anderson
R/H 73.3% - L/H 26.6% - Harmison
R/H 74.1% - L/H 25.8% - Lee
R/H 76.6% - L/H 23.3% - Clark
R/H 78.5% - L/H 21.4% - Watson
R/H 86.1% - L/H 13.8% - Siddle

The top five bowlers on the list are the most effective to both right and left handers. Another left handed bowler Zaheer Khan (58.0/41.9) shows the benefit of having a left arm bowler.
Wouldn't these stats tend to rather depend on the proportion of Righties vs Lefties faced? Most teams have many more right handers than left.
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Old 27th July 2009, 22:47   #345
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The hairdressers'.
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Old 27th July 2009, 23:14   #346
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Wouldn't these stats tend to rather depend on the proportion of Righties vs Lefties faced? Most teams have many more right handers than left.
Looking at the top 25 batsmen in the rankings 13 are right handed and 12 left handed. There are more and more appearing these days. In the first Test at Cardiff there were 10 left handers and in the 2nd Test, 9 of them.
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Old 29th July 2009, 01:04   #347
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Wasim Akram - Cricinfo

Donald had sparked a debate when he told Cricinfo last week that the ICC should let bowlers 'prepare' the ball to redress the balance between bat and ball
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"I don't know what Donald is thinking. He never reverse-swung himself, so probably that's why he said that," he told espnstar.com. "I don't agree with him at all. Reverse-swing comes in late after bowling on a flat track. Whatever Donald is saying about legalising ball tampering, it doesn't matter. The ball will swing anyways and so it's not going to make any difference if you legalise it or not."

Akram, one of the greatest exponents of reverse-swing, also said ball tampering would not be of much help to the bowlers. "[Even] If it's legalised, I don't think it's going to reverse-swing with the new ball. The ball has to be at least 25 to 30 overs old. So, it's just a joke to start off with."
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Old 31st July 2009, 12:44   #348
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I was just having a quick look at the first class averages of the England bowlers playing in this game. Andrew Flintoff has taken 349 first class wickets at 31.35 and a SR of 64.6. He has played 182 first class games. Compare that with Anderson who has taken 340 wickets at 28.44 and a SR 50.6. It would appear that it isn't just in test matches that Flintoff hasn't got as many wickets as you'd think.
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People are expecting Broad to be taking lots of wickets in Tests as he does in ODIs but really Broad is an all rounder.

Compared to some other all rounders he hasn't been doing too badly this year.

24 at 36.54 - Broad s/r 65.3 - wickets per Test 2.4
12 at 38.00 - Flintoff s/r 75.6 - wpt 2.0
9 at 33.33 - McDonald s/r 81.3 - wpt 2.2
7 at 34.85 - Kallis s/r 73.7 - wpt 1.7

Oram hasn't played any Tests this year.

You don't see many all rounders opening the bowling. Flintoff has been better first change. Since Hughes isn't playing maybe Onions will be given the chance to open or maybe they will wait until Flintoff retires and then make the change.

Flintoff
Opening 703.3 overs 34.65 s/r 70.3
1st change 927.0 overs 29.11 s/r 59.1

Flintoff and Broad after 19 Tests

582 runs at 29.10 and 465.5 overs 50 wickets at 40.04 econ 3.28 s/r 78.1 - SB
610 runs at 23.33 and 455.5 overs 30 wickets at 43.60 econ 2.80 s/r 93.1 - FF
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Thanks 1000ys, some quite interesting comparisons in there. Perhaps we are a little impatient with Broad. He isn't bowling well this series though and batting at 8 with a good number 9 below him, people are inclined to forget his contribution with the bat a little.
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Old 1st August 2009, 21:36   #351
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If he was dropped would he be replaced by another all rounder?
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Old 1st August 2009, 21:49   #352
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Sorry I don't buy the all-rounder apologism. Broad's been picked as a bowler, with the added bonus that he might offer some runs down the order (although he's not looked much like doing that this series; is it just me or has his batting got worse recently - he certainly lacks discipline). If he's picked to bat at 7 when Flintoff goes (which I severely hope he isn't), then the situation changes. But you don't pick all-rounders to bat at No.8.

Broad's record is favourable when compared to Flintoff's at the same stage (although so is almost everyone else's, so bad was his start in Test cricket). But other than him, I don't think any successful English seamer of the last 20 years has endured such a barren start to their Test career. Compared to the likes of Fraser, Gough, Cork, Caddick, Hoggard and Harmison, he's come off worse. Augustus suggested the other day that perhaps Broad had got worse since the winter when he bowled promisingly; I'm finding it hard to disagree with that the way things stand - he's offering neither control nor wicket-taking potential, which doesn't leave a lot.

And the excuse about him as an all-rounder brings up what could be an important point for his career. His batting fudges the issue, certainly when he is currently no better than a Test No.8; it's not going to do him any favours if his batting potential keeps him in the team when his bowling simply isn't up to it.
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Broad isn't going to be dropped.
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I've supported Broad for some time but getting fed up with him now. he isn't just getting unlucky he's just generally bowling muck. Inconsistent, inaccurate, both sides of the wicket, trying too many variations, no stock delivery, just utter muck.

Saying that, i'd probably keep him, given we're 1-0 up in the series any extra batting is very handy. We already have 4 bowlers, we can use him as the fifth bowler who can bat.
He isn't a bad option as a 5th bowler, when you consider the 5th doesn't bowl all that often he's a better option than using Colly/Bopara to roll their arms over and the batting he adds is of more worth than the worth we'd gain by bringing in Harmison.

If he were to be an integral, vital member of a 4 man bowling attack, he can't play, but as a 5th bowling options he's not that bad and we only need to draw the last 2 tests, the batting is more important than taking 20 wickets now.

Once Freddie retires though, if Broad hasn't shown any improvement the next month or so i'd be dropping he for a form bowler and bringing in a batsman for Freddie, reverting back to a 4 man attack.
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Broad isn't going to be dropped.
He has one more innings to take some wickets. If he doesn't, and assuming there are no bowling injuries, I can't see him playing at Headingley.

It looks like Harmison will come in for the 4th test. It's probably Broad who will miss out unless the selectors feel Flintoff is too big a risk to play back-to-back tests.
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One point to consider in the comparison between Flintoff's early test career and Broad's is that Fred was dropped at least once in that time!

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...And the excuse about [Broad] as an all-rounder brings up what could be an important point for his career. His batting fudges the issue, certainly when he is currently no better than a Test No.8; it's not going to do him any favours if his batting potential keeps him in the team when his bowling simply isn't up to it.
Never mind him, it's not going to do the team any favours!

I feel that a bowler's batting (or lack of it) often tends to fudge the issue. Given the premium the game sets on taking 20 wickets, I would prefer bowlers to be selected for their bowling alone.

I think Beefy has it right here -- at present, Broad's place is overdependent on the Flintoff situation.
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Good to see that two of England's bowlers are dominating the most wickets in the 2009 English summer.

Onions now has 61 from 11 games at average of 17.31 and SR of 32.8.
Harmison has 49 from 11 games at an average of 19.32 and SR 42.8.
Anderson has 38 from just 7 games at an average of 17.76 SR 36.3.

Compare that with:

Broad has 20 from 7 games at an average of 32.50 SR 58.0

Flintoff hasn't taken 20 wickets yet so doesn't make that list owing to the fact that he was injured at th start of the season playing IPL.
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Well Broad's batting mettle should be tested at some point today.
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Latest update on young bowlers 27 and under

11 Tests - 51 wickets at 23.13 econ 3.03 s/r 45.70 - Asif (26)
4 Tests - 18 wickets at 23.50 econ 4.18 s/r 33.7 - Onions (26)
33 Tests - 170 wickets at 23.70 econ 3.62 s/r 39.2 - Steyn (26)
6 Tests - 19 wickets at 25.26 econ 3.69 s/r 41.00 - Zondeki (26)
24 Tests - 104 wickets at 29.38 econ 3.08 s/r 57.0 - Johnson (27)
3 Tests - 13 wickets at 29.69 econ 2.69 s/r 66.0 - Tremlett (27)
10 Tests - 39 wickets at 30.84 econ 2.91 s/r 63.5 - Siddle (24)
14 Tests - 50 wickets at 31.46 econ 3.28 s/r 57.4 - Sreesanth (26)
29 Tests - 100 wickets at 32.26 econ 3.28 s/r 58.8 - Pathan (24)
21 Tests - 83 wickets at 32.40 econ 3.62 s/r 53.6 - Gul (25)
18 Tests - 52 wickets at 33.15 econ 3.19 s/r 62.1 - Sharma (20)
40 Tests - 140 wickets at 33.70 econ 3.44 s/r 58.7 - Anderson (26)
28 Tests - 91 wickets at 33.80 econ 3.86 s/r 52.4 - Malinga (25)
17 Tests - 55 wickets at 34.90 econ 3.71 s/r 56.3 - Morkel (24)
28 Tests - 81 wickets at 35.55 econ 3.54 s/r 60.2 - Taylor (25)
12 Tests - 34 wickets at 36.17 econ 3.08 s/r 70.4 - Patel (26)
6 Tests - 20 wickets at 38.05 econ 3.08 s/r 74.1 - Hilfenhaus (26)
8 Tests - 20 wickets at 38.10 econ 4.04 s/r 56.5 - Mahmood (27)
13 Tests - 40 wickets at 39.10 econ 4.02 s/r 58.2 - RP Singh (23)
43 Tests - 122 wickets at 39.43 econ 3.97 s/r 59.5 - Edwards (27)
9 Tests - 23 wickets at 39.82 econ 3.57 s/r 66.8 - Plunkett (24)
20 Tests - 52 wickets at 40.21 econ 3.27 s/r 73.6 - Broad (23)
36 Tests - 78 wickets at 41.52 econ 3.24 s/r 76.7 - Mortaza (25)
5 Tests - 12 wickets at 47.91 econ 3.72 s/r 77.2 - Southee (20)
3 Tests - 5 wickets at 60.40 econ 4.37 s/r 82.8 - Tait (26)
2 Tests - 5 wickets at 63.20 econ 3.76 s/r 100.8 - Tanvir (24)
1 Test - 2 wickets at 65.50 econ 2.97 s/r 132.0 - Bollinger (27)
4 Tests - 5 wickets at 79.00 econ 3.59 s/r 132.0 - Baker (24)
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