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Old 5th August 2009, 16:45   #361
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People are expecting Broad to be taking lots of wickets in Tests as he does in ODIs but really Broad is an all rounder.
He averages 30 with the bat, and 40 with the ball. If they were the other way around he would be an all rounder, as it is he isn't good enough at either.
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Old 6th August 2009, 13:16   #363
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It wouldn't take much to get his bowling average down. One or two good Tests and he could get it down to 35.00. Say 5/56 at Headingley and 4/44 at the Oval.
We've been saying that for quite some time, but I like your figures!
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Old 9th August 2009, 16:44   #364
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He averages 30 with the bat, and 40 with the ball. If they were the other way around he would be an all rounder, as it is he isn't good enough at either.

Well after one Test and his batting 30.47 and bowling 37.62 and for the first time his s/r is into the sixties. He is slowly getting there.
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Old 9th August 2009, 18:42   #365
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He averages 30 with the bat, and 40 with the ball. If they were the other way around he would be an all rounder, as it is he isn't good enough at either.
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Well after one Test and his batting 30.47 and bowling 37.62 and for the first time his s/r is into the sixties. He is slowly getting there.
In fairness to Broad, whose bowling stats are still a little unimpressive even after Headingley, it's rather unusual for a player to average 10 more with the bat than the ball and an all rounder with the numbers at parity is usually a very, very good player. Looked at as a batsman, Broad clearly wouldn't be picked although he'd not have done badly enough to be discarded forever either. As a bowler he might not actually have done that much worse than the others to have played the same tests as, apart from the NZ games in his very early career, there have been a lot of runs scored by the opposition (okay, perhaps partly because Broad's not taken enough wickets cheaply enough). That's another one for 1000ys.
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In fairness to Broad, whose bowling stats are still a little unimpressive even after Headingley, it's rather unusual for a player to average 10 more with the bat than the ball and an all rounder with the numbers at parity is usually a very, very good player. Looked at as a batsman, Broad clearly wouldn't be picked although he'd not have done badly enough to be discarded forever either. As a bowler he might not actually have done that much worse than the others to have played the same tests as, apart from the NZ games in his very early career, there have been a lot of runs scored by the opposition (okay, perhaps partly because Broad's not taken enough wickets cheaply enough). That's another one for 1000ys.
Broad is still learning as an all rounder. There have been times when he has come out to bat when England are looking to declare and he will have a slog. I still haven't seen him batting as a proper batsman yet. Will he always bat as he did today? He has a strike rate of 62.36. Flintoff 61.94.

He has said that he is working with Gibson on bowling the right length for him in Test cricket and between them should come up with a plan for Test bowling as he has seemed to bring his his ODI bowling in Tests. I think within a year he will be an all rounder either as Flintoff's replacement or part of a 4 man bowling attack.

Maybe for the tour to South Africa the bowling could be
Anderson, Sidebottom, Onions, Broad and Swann.
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You'd ideally need one more bowler who can bat in that line up, even though Anderson and Obliquearse aren't terrible. Certainly England would bat very deep if a 4 man attack is tried though.
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You'd ideally need one more bowler who can bat in that line up, even though Anderson and Obliquearse aren't terrible. Certainly England would bat very deep if a 4 man attack is tried though.
Well if Broad gets his strike rate into the 50s then we could have 4 bowlers but those 5 bowlers all offer something different. I wonder if the bowlers prefer to be part of a 4 bowling attack as they get more bowling and the chance for 5fers increases.

The only time 4 bowlers doesn't look good is when they have back to back Tests and finish with two days in the field only to have to bowl first in the next Test 3 days later.

If we could have a maximum of 10 Tests a year it would be better for the fast bowlers. From 2000 it has been - 12/13/14/13/13/13/14/11/12.
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Well if Broad gets his strike rate into the 50s then we could have 4 bowlers but those 5 bowlers all offer something different. I wonder if the bowlers prefer to be part of a 4 bowling attack as they get more bowling and the chance for 5fers increases.

The only time 4 bowlers doesn't look good is when they have back to back Tests and finish with two days in the field only to have to bowl first in the next Test 3 days later.

If we could have a maximum of 10 Tests a year it would be better for the fast bowlers. From 2000 it has been - 12/13/14/13/13/13/14/11/12.
You're only going to get that if the sacred cow of the 7-Test summer is slain; doubling up on winter tours is also adding to a crippling workload, which is only getting worse as limited overs cricket proliferates.

I'd ban back-to-back Tests straight off (with possible exemptions for blue-chip events, like the Boxing Day/New Year double header in Oz), and limit bilateral one-day series to 5 matches, possibly 3.
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No ball update after 5th Test

79 Tests - 358 no balls - 4.5 per Test - Flintoff
63 Tests - 126 no balls - 2.0 per Test - Harmison
22 Tests - 11 no balls - 0.5 per Test - Broad
42 Tests - 19 no balls - 0.4 per Test - Anderson
5 Tests - 2 no balls - 0.4 per Test - Onions
21 Tests - 8 no balls - 0.3 per Test - Sidebottom

76 Tests 580 no balls - 7.6 per Test - Lee
9 Tests 55 no balls - 6.1 per Test - Hilfenhaus
12 Tests 31 no balls - 2.5 per Test - Siddle
26 Tests 53 no balls - 2.0 per Test - Johnson
8 Tests 13 no balls - 1.6 per Test - Watson
24 Tests 29 no balls - 1.2 per Test - Clark

as at 8 Dec

No ball update after 5th Test

34 Tests - 13 no balls - 0.3 per Test - Broad
54 Tests - 29 no balls - 0.5 per Test - Anderson
8 Tests - 4 no balls - 0.5 per Test - Onions
10 Tests - 7 no balls - 0.7 per Test - Finn

19 Tests 41 no balls - 2.1 per Test - Siddle
39 Tests 57 no balls - 1.4 per Test - Johnson
14 Tests 71 no balls - 5.0 per Test - Hilfenhaus
12 Tests 46 no balls - 3.8 per Test - Bollinger

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Bowlers seemed to bowl a tremendous amount of no-balls until the rules were changed in domestic cricket - first to give two runs in ODI and then the free hit. That seemed to make players more careful and this carried into all forms of cricket.
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Bowlers seemed to bowl a tremendous amount of no-balls until the rules were changed in domestic cricket - first to give two runs in ODI and then the free hit. That seemed to make players more careful and this carried into all forms of cricket.
I noticed the commentators making a lot of fuss about the no-balls being bowled by Australia. Quite right too. But when it's England bowlers who do it (i.e. Flintoff) they are let off because "it shows how much they are putting into the delivery".
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The ICC cricket committee has proposed a set of radical changes to the way one-day internationals are played, aimed at breathing life into what is considered to be a dying format. It has made its recommendations to the ICC's executive committee but there has been no indication yet of whether they will be ratified.


The first change would involve the use of two new balls, one from each end, from the start of the game. This would preclude the need for the contentious 'compulsory ball change' after 34 overs but would also, ironically, make it virtually impossible to achieve any reverse swing as both balls would be only 25 overs old at the end of the match.

Another dramatic suggestion is for two bowlers to be allowed 12 overs each and two to bowl ten, leaving the fifth bowler an allocation of just six. The intention is to encourage captains and selectors to pick more 'specialists' and marginalise the need for bits-and-pieces cricketers.
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I have always felt that they should allow bowlers more than a fifth of the allocated overs. In fact I would go as far as saying they can have 2 bowlers bowl 25 overs if they want - in other words no restrictions. Admittedly it would be hard to bowl right through but it gives a captain more flexibility.
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I have always felt that they should allow bowlers more than a fifth of the allocated overs. In fact I would go as far as saying they can have 2 bowlers bowl 25 overs if they want - in other words no restrictions. Admittedly it would be hard to bowl right through but it gives a captain more flexibility.
This is what Atherton advocates. He believes that instead of the constant tinkering with the 50 over game, like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, ODIs would be more exciting if there were no artificial restrictions of any kind, either of bowling or fielding; simply play like in a test match, only with a white ball, and with just the two innings of 50 overs each.
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Thomson says today's attack is not getting adequate coaching.

"I don't think anybody fears our attack," Thomson said.

"Where are the so-called bowling coaches in Australia? Mitchell Johnson bowls with a scattered seam . . . we may as well not have a bowling coach from what I've seen of our attack. I don't know who our spearhead is."

Thomson doesn't think much of Troy Cooley then.

Meanwhile Paramatta's Anthony Karam helped bowl North Sydney out for 8. Two hat-tricks and figures of 3/7. Eight batsmen went for ducks. Believed the lowest score in the 116-year history of Sydney grade cricket.

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Thomson says today's attack is not getting adequate coaching.

"I don't think anybody fears our attack," Thomson said.

"Where are the so-called bowling coaches in Australia? Mitchell Johnson bowls with a scattered seam . . . we may as well not have a bowling coach from what I've seen of our attack. I don't know who our spearhead is."

Thomson doesn't think much of Troy Cooley then.

Meanwhile Paramatta's Anthony Karam helped bowl North Sydney out for 8. Two hat-tricks and figures of 3/7. Eight batsmen went for ducks. Believed the lowest score in the 116-year history of Sydney grade cricket.
Could Jeff Thomson recommend someone who would fit the role? Maybe a former fast bowler who people once feared in the 70s and who isn't busy running the Dennis Lillee academy?
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Could Jeff Thomson recommend someone who would fit the role? Maybe a former fast bowler who people once feared in the 70s and who isn't busy running the Dennis Lillee academy?
What's Lenny Pascoe doing these days then?
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Morne Morkel 145 no balls so far in his 18th Test, 8.0 per Test.
He has overtaken the king of no balls Brett Lee 7.6 per Test.

and I wonder how many no balls the umpires have missed.
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No balls

Morne Morkel 145 no balls so far in his 18th Test, 8.0 per Test.
He has overtaken the king of no balls Brett Lee 7.6 per Test.

and I wonder how many no balls the umpires have missed.
145 balls in his 18th test, or any test, would be astonishing. But I know what you mean.
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