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Old 28th September 2017, 17:27   #521
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:41   #522
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Fantastically poised finish. Abbott has been very good with the bat for Hants this season, needs to really stick around now. Jeetan Patel is able to boast an ER below 1 from his 31 overs - this is really gritty cricket! Middlesex will be crossing everything watching on - who were the last champions to be relegated the following season?
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:45   #523
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who were the last champions to be relegated the following season?
Lancashire 2011 relegated 2012
Nitts 2005 relegated 2006
Yorkshire 2001 relegated 2002


Hampshire saved by the ECB/Durham last year, depending on your view. Saved by the weather this year (day one washed out, lost more time yesterday evening and this morning).
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:45   #524
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Do Hampshire need to win or is a draw enough?
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:54   #525
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Do Hampshire need to win or is a draw enough?
A draw was enough:

Yorks 148
Hants 148
Somer 147
Middx 146

Will sides pay more attention to over rates?

Middx deducted 2 points so relegated
Northants deducted 5 points so missed promotion (5 points behind Notts but with more wins)
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:55   #526
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Do Hampshire need to win or is a draw enough?
Draw saves and extraordinarily, Middlesex will be playing Division 2 cricket next season.
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Old 28th September 2017, 18:57   #527
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Fantastically poised finish. Abbott has been very good with the bat for Hants this season, needs to really stick around now. Jeetan Patel is able to boast an ER below 1 from his 31 overs - this is really gritty cricket! Middlesex will be crossing everything watching on - who were the last champions to be relegated the following season?
Lancs, in 2012.

The Red Rose county managed just one won in that season. Middx, in contrast, must feel a little unlucky to be relegated with three wins (one more than the team which finished third) and just four defeats (two fewer than Somerset, one fewer than Yorks in fourth place).

I realise there's more to cricket than averages but a glance at Middx's for last year and this may help to tell some of the story. Over a thousand fewer runs from Gubbins, nobody averaging in excess of 40, Roland-Jones playing six fewer matches and Rayner seemingly losing his mojo.

I've no great affection for Middx, but their fall does mean fewer sightings of the top sides in the capital next season. Ah well.
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Old 28th September 2017, 19:02   #528
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Lancs, in 2012.

The Red Rose county managed just one won in that season. Middx, in contrast, must feel a little unlucky to be relegated with three wins (one more than the team which finished third) and just four defeats (two fewer than Somerset, one fewer than Yorks in fourth place).

I realise there's more to cricket than averages but a glance at Middx's for last year and this may help to tell some of the story. Over a thousand fewer runs from Gubbins, nobody averaging in excess of 40, Roland-Jones playing six fewer matches and Rayner seemingly losing his mojo.

I've no great affection for Middx, but their fall does mean fewer sightings of the top sides in the capital next season. Ah well.
Yes, I'm very annoyed as that's an easy ground to get to gone from Essex's fixture list.
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Old 28th September 2017, 19:05   #529
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A draw was enough:

Yorks 148
Hants 148
Somer 147
Middx 146

Will sides pay more attention to over rates?

Middx deducted 2 points so relegated
Northants deducted 5 points so missed promotion (5 points behind Notts but with more wins)
Northants' chubster policy fails as the lardarses can't get back to their marks quick enough, but the points deductions for overrates are ridiculous as it just leads to more filler cricket. Give me quality cricket over some part medium pacer or arrows specialist trying to get in 4 quick overs with as little damage to the scoreboard as possible.
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Old 28th September 2017, 19:07   #530
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Somerset will enter their 11th consecutive first division season next year, almost double the (current) next year:
Yorkshire - 6
Hampshire - 4
Surrey/Lancs - 3
Essex 2
Notts/Worcs - 1 clearly

11 season's equals the record for any county.
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Yes, I'm very annoyed as that's an easy ground to get to gone from Essex's fixture list.
Unless it's played at Uxbridge, in which case not so easy and in doubt anyway if it cops owt more than a light shower.
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Table, if adopting Premiership points system (tiebreaker still 'most wins'):

1. Essex 34
2. Lancs 21
3. Yorks 17
4. Hants 17
5. Somerset 16
6. Middx 16
7, Surrey 16
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Old 28th September 2017, 19:34   #533
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A draw was enough:

Yorks 148
Hants 148
Somer 147
Middx 146

Will sides pay more attention to over rates?

Middx deducted 2 points so relegated
Northants deducted 5 points so missed promotion (5 points behind Notts but with more wins)
if it wasn't for Middlesex's points deduction Somerset would have been relegated with 4 wins. Normally 4 wins means safety.
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My lad had a trial at warwickshire tonight but we got there half an hour early so managed to blag into see the cricket. Tense stuff.
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Unbelievable that another pitch inspector is at Taunton. Someone who was not there to see the even bounce could relegate us. What a shambles. The regulations are clear that a pitch can't be deemed poor just because it turns, it needs uneven bounce. If a pitch is that bad then a side would not win by c250 runs and would have been loads more if we hadn't started slogging to declare. What a joke this could be.

Then we will get hammered in Asia and people will wonder why.

Middlesex fans complaining they are relegated because of points deduction but can't understand that collapsing vs Essex and playing like clowns at Taunton might have made a difference.
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Middlesex fans complaining they are relegated because of points deduction but can't understand that collapsing vs Essex and playing like clowns at Taunton might have made a difference.
And batting on and on and on to set Essex 451 at Lord's, leaving themselves insufficient time to take the final two wickets.
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Unbelievable that another pitch inspector is at Taunton. Someone who was not there to see the even bounce could relegate us. What a shambles. The regulations are clear that a pitch can't be deemed poor just because it turns, it needs uneven bounce. If a pitch is that bad then a side would not win by c250 runs and would have been loads more if we hadn't started slogging to declare. What a joke this could be.

Then we will get hammered in Asia and people will wonder why.

Middlesex fans complaining they are relegated because of points deduction but can't understand that collapsing vs Essex and playing like clowns at Taunton might have made a difference.
Whilst the Somerset fans are anxious that collapsing vs Essex and playing like clowns at Taunton might end up relegating them instead.
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Whilst the Somerset fans are anxious that collapsing vs Essex and playing like clowns at Taunton might end up relegating them instead.
Is there a precedent for someone who did not watch the match deciding a pitch was unfit? Would this happen in first week of the season? Do people understand that a poor pitch must have uneven bounce (by definition)?

Will Noon be sacked if his view is wrong? I simply don't understand how this can happen.

I have not been on here this summer but I would have had no problem with going down based on our shambolic batting. But we stayed up so how can they rewrite the rules?
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England selector Angus Fraser on the radio slating the pitch which allowed Somerset to score the highest first innings score in division one this week. Much higher than score at lord's green top last week. What a joke.
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Do people understand that a poor pitch must have uneven bounce (by definition)?
Is this actually true, or just something you have come up with? The Trent Bridge Test pitch in 2014 against India was very poor but the bounce wasn't uneven it was just dead.

Why the bleating? The pitch was declared "below average" so you won't lose any points. Hopefully Notts wll find a spinner to take advantage of the bunsen at Taunton when we visit next season.
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