The Bill Frindall Match and Series records thread - Page 3

Michelle Fivefer · 10th October 2007, 23:32

England. ~~The second ODI was England's first ODI victory in Sri Lanka ever, so winning the next two consecutive matches was obviously record-breaking as well.~~

~~The series win was the first for England in the sub-continent since 1987.~~

GBG and AH have pointed out that both these assertions are incorrect. Not the first ODI win by England in SL, but the first since 1981-2. Likewise not the first series win on the sub-continent since 1987 because England beat Bangladesh 3-0 in 2003/4.

I think it is safe to claim that it is England's first ODI series victory over Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka.

Michelle Fivefer · 10th October 2007, 23:57

As well as being in the running for second highest run scorer in the year 2007 (nobody is going to catch Hayden with 1526 to date), Bell (1069) and Collingwood (1062) could overtake the English record for most runs in a calendar year. This is held by David Gower, who made 1086 runs in 1993, albeit from only 20 matches.

The thing is that this year England will have played 34 ODIs, more than ever before, so our players are up there in the records, both national and international. You can say, ah but look at their averages, blah blah - but they have still had to go out and score those runs or take those wickets.

daz · 11th October 2007, 00:09

You do still have to score runs or take wickets but it certainly helps if you can spread them out over X amount of games

Michelle Fivefer · 11th October 2007, 00:14

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Originally Posted by daz

You do still have to score runs or take wickets but it certainly helps if you can spread them out over X amount of games

But some players have had that amount of games and still not scored the runs or taken the wickets.

David Gower set that record of 1086 runs in 1993 and nobody has come near it since then, even though England have usually played more than 20 matches.

**geoff_boycotts_grandmother** · 11th October 2007, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

England. The second ODI was England's first ODI victory in Sri Lanka ever, so winning the next two consecutive matches was obviously record-breaking as well.

The series win was the first for England in the sub-continent since 1987.

I thought England beat Bangladesh 3-0 in 2003/04?

Archimandrite Herring · 11th October 2007, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

England. The second ODI was England's first ODI victory in Sri Lanka ever, so winning the next two consecutive matches was obviously record-breaking as well.

The series win was the first for England in the sub-continent since 1987.

Not quite the first victory ever- England won a match in 1981-82, when (among other batting performances) Geoff Cook got 28.

Michelle Fivefer · 11th October 2007, 12:26

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

I thought England beat Bangladesh 3-0 in 2003/04?

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Originally Posted by Archimandrite Herring

Not quite the first victory ever- England won a match in 1981-82, when (among other batting performances) Geoff Cook got 28.

I am guilty of accepting what the commentators said without checking up. Sky text is still saying "first series win by England on the sub-continent since 1987" but I noticed that in the Telegraph this morning they refer to the "first major series win for 20 years". Nobody has mentioned the match AH refers to. SL won the second of the 2 match series so it is at least true that England has never won an ODI series in Sri Lanka.

Thanks for putting us right.

sharky · 11th October 2007, 12:30

they won in Sharjah under Hollioake as well

Michelle Fivefer · 11th October 2007, 12:36

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Originally Posted by sharky

they won in Sharjah under Hollioake as well

The claim was specifically about the sub-continent, which would mean India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Michelle Fivefer · 15th November 2007, 11:45

Zaheer Khan has taken another wicket v. Pakistan, bringing him level with Anderson and McGrath as leading ODI wicket takers of 2007, and on course to overtake them.

1000yardstare · 15th November 2007, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

Zaheer Khan has taken another wicket v. Pakistan, bringing him level with Anderson and McGrath as leading ODI wicket takers of 2007, and on course to overtake them.

He has 13 overs to do it in. I was hoping they would drop him and bring Sreesanth in.

(Anderson still has bowled the most maidens but Pollock will overtake him)

Khan leading wicket taker 2007 - 40 wickets.
I think the only bowlers that could pass that look like Bracken, Hogg and Vettori.
Ganguly takes his 100th ODI wicket.
Khan gets 200.

1000yardstare · 17th November 2007, 22:29

Steyn is level with Panesar for most Test wickets in 2007

Steyn 6* Tests 159.0 overs 33 wickets at 16.12 econ 3.34 s/r 28.9
Panesar 8 Test 294.1 overs 33 wickets at 27.96 econ 3.13 s/r 53.4

Michelle Fivefer · 18th November 2007, 00:30

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Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

Steyn is level with Panesar for most Test wickets in 2007

Steyn 6* Tests 159.0 overs 33 wickets at 16.12 econ 3.34 s/r 28.9
Panesar 8 Test 294.1 overs 33 wickets at 27.96 econ 3.13 s/r 53.4

Panesar has three test matches to play before the year end. How many do South Africa have left?

Shah's bitch · 18th November 2007, 00:32

Steyn 33 wickets at 16? where did they come from?!

1000yardstare · 18th November 2007, 00:36

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer

Panesar has three test matches to play before the year end. How many do South Africa have left?

One Test v West Indies Boxing Day.

1000yardstare · 18th November 2007, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Shah's bitch

Steyn 33 wickets at 16? where did they come from?!

India 6 (1 Test)
Pakistan 13 (3 Tests)
NZ 14 (2nd Test which is in progress)

He's great.

Also doing well Brett Lee 3* 16 wickets 16.12 econ 2.81 s/r 34.3

**Rey** · 18th November 2007, 01:17

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Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion

One Test v West Indies Boxing Day.

In that case, with one innings of hapless New Zealanders still left, 10+ more wickets for Steyn I'd say

Baron von Death · 18th November 2007, 02:15

Oh dear.

1000yardstare · 6th December 2007, 01:00

Leading Test wicket takers so far in 2007

Steyn 6 matches 39 wickets at 14.89
Murali 6 matches 39 wickets at 21.07
Panesar 9 matches 39 wickets at 28.23

1000yardstare · 16th December 2007, 23:27

The 10 leading ODI wicket takers in 2007

1. Khan 40 wickets
2. McGrath 39 wickets
3. Anderson 39 wickets
4. Fernando 38 wickets
5. Powell 38 wickets
6. Flintoff 36
7. Bracken 36*
8. DL Vettori 36*
9. Maharoof 35
10 GB Hogg 35*

Australia have 1 ODI left and New Zealand have 4. Can Bracken and Hogg move upwards? Can Clarke and Gilchrist get 1000 runs?

Leading ODI run scorers in 2007

1. Hayden 1572*
2. Tendulkar 1425
3. Ponting 1290 *
4. Yuvraj 1287
5. Ganguly 1240
6. de Villiers 1209
7. Dhoni 1103
8. Jayawardene 1089
9. Bell 1080
10 Smith 1079
11 Collingwood 1064
12 Yousuf 1042
13 Kallis 987
14 Clarke 974*
15 Gilchrist 934*

10th October 2007, 23:32	#41
Michelle Fivefer Posting Goddess Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North West England Team(s): England, Lancashire Posts: 42,524	England. ~~The second ODI was England's first ODI victory in Sri Lanka ever, so winning the next two consecutive matches was obviously record-breaking as well.~~ ~~The series win was the first for England in the sub-continent since 1987.~~ GBG and AH have pointed out that both these assertions are incorrect. Not the first ODI win by England in SL, but the first since 1981-2. Likewise not the first series win on the sub-continent since 1987 because England beat Bangladesh 3-0 in 2003/4. I think it is safe to claim that it is England's first ODI series victory over Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. Last edited by Michelle Fivefer : 11th October 2007 at 12:35.

11th October 2007, 00:09	#43
daz Posting God Join Date: Feb 2007 Team(s): Northamptonshire Posts: 11,288	You do still have to score runs or take wickets but it certainly helps if you can spread them out over X amount of games __________________ Look out for my flag in Dhaka.

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sharky Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sunny Sussex Team(s): Sussex, England Posts: 10,957	they won in Sharjah under Hollioake as well __________________ She was like a candle in the wind...Unreliable

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1000yardstare Posting Goddess JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 21,222	Leading Test wicket takers so far in 2007 Steyn 6 matches 39 wickets at 14.89 Murali 6 matches 39 wickets at 21.07 Panesar 9 matches 39 wickets at 28.23 Last edited by 1000yardstare : 6th December 2007 at 01:05.

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10th October 2007, 23:57	#42
Michelle Fivefer Posting Goddess Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North West England Team(s): England, Lancashire Posts: 42,524	As well as being in the running for second highest run scorer in the year 2007 (nobody is going to catch Hayden with 1526 to date), Bell (1069) and Collingwood (1062) could overtake the English record for most runs in a calendar year. This is held by David Gower, who made 1086 runs in 1993, albeit from only 20 matches. The thing is that this year England will have played 34 ODIs, more than ever before, so our players are up there in the records, both national and international. You can say, ah but look at their averages, blah blah - but they have still had to go out and score those runs or take those wickets.

15th November 2007, 11:45	#50
Michelle Fivefer Posting Goddess Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North West England Team(s): England, Lancashire Posts: 42,524	Zaheer Khan has taken another wicket v. Pakistan, bringing him level with Anderson and McGrath as leading ODI wicket takers of 2007, and on course to overtake them.

17th November 2007, 22:29	#52
1000yardstare Posting Goddess JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 21,222	Steyn is level with Panesar for most Test wickets in 2007 Steyn 6* Tests 159.0 overs 33 wickets at 16.12 econ 3.34 s/r 28.9 Panesar 8 Test 294.1 overs 33 wickets at 27.96 econ 3.13 s/r 53.4

18th November 2007, 00:32	#54
Shah's bitch County Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 561	Steyn 33 wickets at 16? where did they come from?!

18th November 2007, 02:15	#58
Baron von Death World Class Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,305	Oh dear.

16th December 2007, 23:27	#60
1000yardstare Posting Goddess JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 21,222	The 10 leading ODI wicket takers in 2007 1. Khan 40 wickets 2. McGrath 39 wickets 3. Anderson 39 wickets 4. Fernando 38 wickets 5. Powell 38 wickets 6. Flintoff 36 7. Bracken 36* 8. DL Vettori 36* 9. Maharoof 35 10 GB Hogg 35* Australia have 1 ODI left and New Zealand have 4. Can Bracken and Hogg move upwards? Can Clarke and Gilchrist get 1000 runs? Leading ODI run scorers in 2007 1. Hayden 1572* 2. Tendulkar 1425 3. Ponting 1290 * 4. Yuvraj 1287 5. Ganguly 1240 6. de Villiers 1209 7. Dhoni 1103 8. Jayawardene 1089 9. Bell 1080 10 Smith 1079 11 Collingwood 1064 12 Yousuf 1042 13 Kallis 987 14 Clarke 974* 15 Gilchrist 934*