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Old 22nd July 2017, 13:52   #361
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Kohli's T20 numbers are stupid: much better average (and SR) than in either other format and it's not even that small a sample size. He averages much less in T20s overall at 40.6, SR 132.6 but even that's rather good.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 15:05   #362
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De Kock moving from 7 to 5 to 4. I wonder if it's a good idea. Already lost his 51.26 average.
Well its the only option, really. He's one of the 3 best batsmen in the side. And almost 10 years younger than the other 2. So makes no sense to have him batting with the lower order as a matter of course. Even if he does it quite well.

Bigger issue is his workload. Especially when SA have had a long bowling innings, then lose early wickets. Will mean even more time on his fitness. But that's the lot of a genuine all-rounder, I suppose.
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Old 25th July 2017, 09:58   #363
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Well its the only option, really. He's one of the 3 best batsmen in the side. And almost 10 years younger than the other 2. So makes no sense to have him batting with the lower order as a matter of course. Even if he does it quite well.

Bigger issue is his workload. Especially when SA have had a long bowling innings, then lose early wickets. Will mean even more time on his fitness. But that's the lot of a genuine all-rounder, I suppose.
They shold keep QDK at 5. I don't think he has the game just yet to bat higher up, against a better moving ball. My biggest issue with his batting that he tsill plays too much like an ODI batsman, with his bat always coming acrosst he line and almost horizontal. He really needs to work on playing morel ike a test bat.
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Old 31st July 2017, 00:02   #364
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54 Tests 5251 runs at 61.05 HS215 20 100s 20 50s - Smith (27)
58 Tests 5191 runs at 54.07 HS254 13 100s 30 50s - Root (26)
61 Tests 5116 runs at 51.16 HS242* 17 100s 25 50s - Williamson (26)
59 Tests 4616 runs at 49.63 HS235 17 100s 14 50s - Kohli (28)

Time to drop de Kock from this list as I don't think he will get many runs at number 4 as he would at 7. He has gone down from 51.26.

23 Tests 1518 runs at 44.64 HS129 3 100s 11 50s - de Kock (24)

Kohli's average drops under 50.00.

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Old 6th August 2017, 12:35   #365
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While us English fans bemoan the efforts of our top order, there was interesting stats on Cricinfo about South Africa's opening partnership. Since the start of the NZ tour, in 13 innings, SA's openers have not managed to get past 21 without losing the first wicket and average just 12 runs.

More longer term, they've really struggled against the better fast bowling sides (Eng, Aus, NZ) over the past 3-4 years.

It does go to show that opening is not an easy role and good (let alone great) test openers are difficult to come by. SA have one in Elgar, but they've not found any to stay with him over the last couple of years.
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Old 7th August 2017, 07:23   #366
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Elgar is far from amazing either, he's just a lot better than the guys he's opened with.
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Old 7th August 2017, 12:42   #367
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Elgar is far from amazing either, he's just a lot better than the guys he's opened with.
And out today before they even reached their paltry average!
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Old 31st August 2017, 12:24   #368
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56 Tests 5370 runs at 59.66 HS215 20 100s 21 50s - Smith (28)
60 Tests 5323 runs at 53.76 HS254 13 100s 32 50s - Root (26)
61 Tests 5116 runs at 51.16 HS242* 17 100s 25 50s - Williamson (27)
60 Tests 4658 runs at 49.55 HS235 17 100s 14 50s - Kohli (28)
25 Tests 1554 runs at 44.40 HS129 3 100s 11 50s - de Kock (24)

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200 ODIs 8888 runs at 55.55 HS183 31 100s 45 50s s/r 91.54 - Kohli
97 ODIs 4000 runs at 50.00 HS133* 10 100s 24 50s s/r 87.05 - Root
114 ODIs 4605 runs at 46.98 HS145* 9 100s 31 50s s/r 84.20 - Williamson
88 ODIs 3806 runs at 45.85 HS178 13 100s 15 50s s/r 94.62 - de Kock
103 ODIs 3329 runs at 43.23 HS164 8 100s 19 50s s/r 87.03 - Smith


20/20s

52 20/20s 1852 runs at 52.91 HS90* 17 50s s/r 136.17 - Kohli
25 20/20s 743 runs at 39.10 HS90* 4 50s s/r 128.76 - Root
39 20/20s 1125 runs at 36.29 HS73* 7 50s s/r 122.81 - Williamson
30 20/20s 742 runs at 28.53 HS52 1 50 s/r 127.49 - de Kock
30 20/20s 431 runs at 21.55 HS90 2 50s s/r 122.44 - Smith

ICC All time ratings

5 Smith 941
21 Root 917
33 Kohli 895
36 Williamson 893

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Old 31st August 2017, 16:14   #369
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55 Tests 5296 runs at 60.18 HS215 20 100s 20 50s - Smith (28)
59 Tests 5322 runs at 54.30 HS254 13 100s 32 50s - Root (26)
61 Tests 5116 runs at 51.16 HS242* 17 100s 25 50s - Williamson (27)
60 Tests 4658 runs at 49.55 HS235 17 100s 14 50s - Kohli (28)
23 Tests 1518 runs at 44.64 HS129 3 100s 11 50s - de Kock (24)

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193 ODIs 8477 runs at 55.04 HS183 29 100s 44 50s s/r 91.68 - Kohli
92 ODIs 3802 runs at 49.37 HS133* 10 100s 22 50s s/r 86.33 - Root
114 ODIs 4605 runs at 46.98 HS145* 9 100s 31 50s s/r 84.20 - Williamson
98 ODIs 3187 runs at 44.26 HS164 8 100s 17 50s s/r 87.48 - Smith
85 ODIs 3519 runs at 43.44 HS178 12 100s 14 50s s/r 93.89 - de Kock

20/20s

49 20/20s 1748 runs at 52.96 HS90* 16 50s s/r 135.50 - Kohli
24 20/20s 726 runs at 40.33 HS90* 4 50s s/r 130.10 - Root
39 20/20s 1125 runs at 36.29 HS73* 7 50s s/r 122.81 - Williamson
30 20/20s 742 runs at 28.53 HS52 1 50 s/r 127.49 - de Kock
30 20/20s 431 runs at 21.55 HS90 2 50s s/r 122.44 - Smith
29 ODI tons for Kohli - that's just ridiculous.
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Old 31st August 2017, 17:00   #370
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29 ODI tons for Kohli - that's just ridiculous.
De Kock is going at a similar rate too. Kohli averaging pretty much 50 in all forms is phenomenal though.
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Old 1st September 2017, 10:01   #371
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We do play a ridiculous amount of ODIs but Kohli is phenomenal in the limited overs variety. He just might break even SRT's number of centuries in ODIs, I feel.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 08:46   #372
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Some players reach 400+ ODI caps, England's record is under 200.......

197 Collingwood
194 Anderson
170 Stewart

Anderson would be past 200, and might well be on his way to 250, but hasn't played an ODI since March 2015 and Broad only a couple since the same match as longer serving and lasting players.

By contrast :

463 Tendulkar (IND)
448 Jayawardene (SRL)
445 Jayasuriya (SRL)
404 Sangakkara (SRL)
398 Afridi (PAK)

Shows the players from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka simply play more ODIs than England. To give more context here are a few records for other countries :

AUS - 374 Ponting, 325 Waugh (SR)
SAF - 323 Kallis, 294 Pollock (SM)
WIN - 295 Lara, 268 Chanderpaul
NZL - 291 Vettori, 279 Fleming
ZIM - 221 Flower (GW), 213 Flower (A)
BAN - 175 Ashraful, 165 Mortaza, 165 Rahim

Obviously it's a combination of quantity and longevity, but you'd think some English player would break 200. Morgan is on 185, not all for England though, Root on 92 perhaps the likeliest to first breach that 200 mark...
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Could that be because England change their players more often? England 247 players to Sri Lanka's 184 for instance. Collingwood is still playing cricket but his last ODI game was 6 years ago.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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I think also until recently England played fewer ODIs than other sides.
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Old 4th September 2017, 17:18   #375
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The more pertinent question is will an English batsman reach 20 ODI centuries?
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Love Kohli's figures today... oh and another 100..

200 ODIs 8888 runs at 55.55
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