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Old 27th June 2012, 14:10   #1
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Spirit of Cricket

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Old 27th June 2012, 14:41   #2
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I haven't had a chance to go through it, but I did find it amusing that Greig reportedly spent most of it having a go at India for ruining the game. Don't think I can take it seriously enough to pay it any attention.
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Old 27th June 2012, 14:44   #3
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I haven't had a chance to go through it, but I did find it amusing that Greig reportedly spent most of it having a go at India for ruining the game. Don't think I can take it seriously enough to pay it any attention.
Mentioned India 57 times apparently. I guessed 22 beforehand.

Here's a balanced piece on it. http://www.wisdenindia.com/dismiss-g...-him-out-first
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Didn't know Greig was a racist who harks back to the colonial times ?
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Old 27th June 2012, 15:57   #5
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Mentioned India 57 times apparently. I guessed 22 beforehand.

Here's a balanced piece on it. http://www.wisdenindia.com/dismiss-g...-him-out-first
That piece is good until it actually comes to tackling the themes Greig raises. Greig's point in the Spirit of Cricket (and note the name) lecture is that people need to consider what's best for the game. It's also laughably naive to suggest that India's financial muscle doesn't influence the voting.
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I would be interested to hear opinions on whether what the Carew captain did (by declaring on 18 for 1 in order to deny the oppo bonus points and thus win the league) was against the spirit of the game, and if so to what degree ...

Andy Bull's report is here.

Personally I think that as soon as one has a league with points adding up match by match, then the spirit in which individual games are played must necessarily change, because they are only episodes, as it were, in a larger game lasting a season.
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I would be interested to hear opinions on whether what the Carew captain did (by declaring on 18 for 1 in order to deny the oppo bonus points and thus win the league) was against the spirit of the game, and if so to what degree ...

Andy Bull's report is here.

Personally I think that as soon as one has a league with points adding up match by match, then the spirit in which individual games are played must necessarily change, because they are only episodes, as it were, in a larger game lasting a season.
I don't really understand the point you are making in your final paragraph but there is no doubt whatsoever that what happened here is outside of the spirit of cricket. I would have liked to see the league award the match and the full bonus points to Cresselly by default.
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Of course it's against the spirit of the game, but ultimately the spirit of the game doesn't count for anything when it comes to the actual rules. Let's just hope they lose every game next year.
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I don't really understand the point you are making in your final paragraph ...
Sorry, it's a bit garbled there ... I suppose that the idea of a game of cricket is one thing, but the idea of a league decided over a season by accruing points from those games is another; and when the people who set up the league sat down initially to devise its rules, this kind of situation was completely foreseeable, and surely the people setting up the league would have expected the captains in such a situation to act in such a way as to make sure they win the league -- after all, what's the point in inventing a league that no one is expected to want to win? So I think the captain is in a position that's not of his own making -- the people who set up the league made it -- and in which he can only do right by the idea of the league by simultaneously acting against the spirit of the individual game. In such a situation, I think some of the responsibility for what happened can be passed onto the people who set up the league, since it is part and parcel of the league's operation that occasionally these situations must arise. Similar kinds of things happen every year in the CC, with mad declarations intended to facilitate the acquisition or denial of points -- but they happen because the league is an artificial construct placed over and above the individual game of cricket. I think it's quite a timely story in light of recent discussions of a kind of league system for test cricket -- which would inevitably occasionally throw up similar kinds of situations.
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Did anyone watch the Lara speech? Or read about it? He had a real go at the Windies teams (And umpiring) of the 80s and 90s, which I found peculiar.
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Did anyone watch the Lara speech? Or read about it? He had a real go at the Windies teams (And umpiring) of the 80s and 90s, which I found peculiar.
I listened to the lecture on TMS and posted about it on the West Indies thread. Some discussion followed. Sorry, I didn't realise this thread existed, or had forgotten.

Maybe the mods could transfer the posts.
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I listened to the lecture on TMS and posted about it on the West Indies thread. Some discussion followed. Sorry, I didn't realise this thread existed, or had forgotten.

Maybe the mods could transfer the posts.
Yeah, would be good to get more opinions on that. What did you think about it? Felt particularly weird to bring up some stuff from 30 or mroe years ago, while he himself wasnt exactly the best exponent of cricket spirit when it came to his contract disputes and so on. Oh and did he mention much baout Australia and their lack of spirit?
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An interesting article in the Guardian about Warner's war ...
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An interesting article in the Guardian about Warner's war ...
For me, the Ashes, like the Ryder Cup, is fast becoming a farcical parody of what was once an absorbing contest. Too much hype, chat and general non-news weeks before we actually get to the first action.
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For me, the Ashes, like the Ryder Cup, is fast becoming a farcical parody of what was once an absorbing contest. Too much hype, chat and general non-news weeks before we actually get to the first action.
For as long as I can remember there has been a lot of pre-Ashes hype but it's getting worse and cruder.
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For as long as I can remember there has been a lot of pre-Ashes hype but it's getting worse and cruder.
Agree about there always being hype. Now it all seems too dramatic, too much of a circus act and feels a little forced at times. I suppose the internet age, where there has to be breaking news every moment of the day, doesnt help as there are too many outlets in search of a soundbite.
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For me, the Ashes, like the Ryder Cup, is fast becoming a farcical parody of what was once an absorbing contest. Too much hype, chat and general non-news weeks before we actually get to the first action.
It's also sad that there's been a decline in the qaulity of cricket over the last 2 Ashes series. England were humiliated in Australia, and the latter couldnt match up to England away. At one time or other, almost every batsman looked like a walking wicket.

I'm afraid the likes of Ballance, Stoneman, Malan and co could repeat it during this series.
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Can only agree with the above. Even in those long years when England got caned by the Aussies, I looked forward to the series because for many a time you were watching true greats of the game, be they Border, Waugh S and on to Warne, McGrath and Ponting amongst others.

The last few Ashes series from 2013 home onwards, I have not looked forward to any.
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Yep.

I don't think I'd go so far as to say I didn't look forward to them (the 2015 series came about during a tough time at uni and was a great way to unwind for us all) but the sentiment stands, the cricket needs to be of a higher calibre and the mouths of various individuals need to remain shut, even if Warner's words have been blown out of proportion.
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