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Old 14th September 2017, 21:57   #121
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Everyone thought we'd get humped in 2015 mind you.
Both teams have major deficiencies but if Australia manage to keep their pace attack fit and with the emergence of Hanscombe they probably have less than England. History with those fast bowlers has shown however that it's a big if and even then their batting is sub-standard from 5 all the way down.

I think England are the slightly better team overall but in Australia I'd make Aus very slight favourites, injuries could easily sway my mind though!
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Old 15th September 2017, 09:49   #122
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Both teams have major deficiencies but if Australia manage to keep their pace attack fit and with the emergence of Hanscombe they probably have less than England. History with those fast bowlers has shown however that it's a big if and even then their batting is sub-standard from 5 all the way down.

I think England are the slightly better team overall but in Australia I'd make Aus very slight favourites, injuries could easily sway my mind though!
Agree with all that. However it is worth noting that Khawaja and Handscomb have both had stints in County Cricket so there ought to be some plans and ideas as to how to remove them from the crease. Handscomb in particular will be very well known to the Yorkshire boys.
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Old 18th September 2017, 09:19   #123
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Both teams have major deficiencies but if Australia manage to keep their pace attack fit and with the emergence of Hanscombe they probably have less than England. History with those fast bowlers has shown however that it's a big if and even then their batting is sub-standard from 5 all the way down.

I think England are the slightly better team overall but in Australia I'd make Aus very slight favourites, injuries could easily sway my mind though!
Absolutely not, England are carrying a minimum of three passengers, arguably four and no express fast bowler. Australia are clear favourites in Australia and have a pace line up which could demolish England's garbage batting line up befor tea on day 1, and still have time to watch all seven series of Game of Thrones. I wouldn't be surprised to see the test series finish 5-0 to Oz. This is an England team that struggled to beat the Windies at home and still has no idea who makes their best XI.
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Old 18th September 2017, 09:54   #124
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Australia are clear favourites in Australia and have a pace line up which could demolish England's garbage batting line up befor tea on day 1, and still have time to watch all seven series of Game of Thrones. I wouldn't be surprised to see the test series finish 5-0 to Oz.
Someone needs to frame this.

How often do you believe that this incredible pace attack will turn out together? They're more broken than a box of broken biscuits.

You also talk them up as though it's Garner. Holding, Roberts and Marshall. It's not, it's far from it.
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Old 18th September 2017, 11:17   #125
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While Cabinboy is over-estimating the Australians (as per usual) that doesn't mean that the Ashes won't end up 5-0. If it's 2-0 by Adelaide it will be 5-0. Australia don't need to be brilliant to do this, just effective in their home conditions.
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Did England struggle to beat the West Indies? The Headingly result doesn't change the fact that an innings win and a 9 wicket win took Englands less than six days in total.
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Old 18th September 2017, 14:22   #127
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Did England struggle to beat the West Indies? The Headingly result doesn't change the fact that an innings win and a 9 wicket win took Englands less than six days in total.
And but for a naive declaration it would've been 2-0 (perhaps 3-0).
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Old 18th September 2017, 14:53   #128
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And but for a naive declaration it would've been 2-0 (perhaps 3-0).
Impossible to say. England were 8 down at the time of the declaration, so had they not declared at all, the innings might have been just two balls longer.
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The Aussie attack is good but it's not Mcgrath, Lee and Gillespie/Clark or even Johnson, Harris and Siddle.
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Impossible to say. England were 8 down at the time of the declaration, so had they not declared at all, the innings might have been just two balls longer.
The way the Windies were bowling and fielding at the time, a Woakes ton looked more probable.
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The way the Windies were bowling and fielding at the time, a Woakes ton looked more probable.
You may say so, if you like. I'm not sure about the application of the notion of probability to non-repeatable events. In any case, I would agree with your overall point that a game that is lost partly because of an unucky/unwise (take your pick) declaration may be won by what is the lower-performing side across the game as a whole.
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