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Old 11th October 2017, 13:45   #541
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What's the word on Hazlewood The Don? Is he likely to be fit for the Gabba?
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Old 11th October 2017, 13:48   #542
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Hi all.

For those who have not seen much of craig overton. I spent much of last summer saying I see him as the natural successor to broad. Similar pace and height and he bowls best when trying to hit the top of off stump. He will not be bouncing sides out.

See his wickets from this year. A lot of lbw and bowleds. https://twitter.com/somersetccc/stat...29396602245121

Hope this is helpful for people who get the brothers confused.

Irritating that his batting has gone backwards. I suspect he will get bounced out.
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Old 11th October 2017, 13:49   #543
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Young Zampa doing well for Oz.

Doubt he’d get near the England team based on batting.
Like Mason Crane you mean?
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Old 11th October 2017, 14:00   #544
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Hi all.

For those who have not seen much of craig overton. I spent much of last summer saying I see him as the natural successor to broad. Similar pace and height and he bowls best when trying to hit the top of off stump. He will not be bouncing sides out.

See his wickets from this year. A lot of lbw and bowleds. https://twitter.com/somersetccc/stat...29396602245121

Hope this is helpful for people who get the brothers confused.

Irritating that his batting has gone backwards. I suspect he will get bounced out.
Are you concerned about him facing all those left-handers in Australia's top-order?
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Old 11th October 2017, 14:11   #545
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What's the word on Hazlewood The Don? Is he likely to be fit for the Gabba?
Word is Hazlewood and Starc are both expected to play in shield matches as preparation and should be fine for the 'Gabba. Pattinson is now a write off through, out indefinately.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...b39f4347be195e
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Old 11th October 2017, 15:23   #546
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Are you concerned about him facing all those left-handers in Australia's top-order?
Not really. I like him going round the wicket. He pitches middle and off and attempts to hit top of off. In our match at Surrey he had Stoneman in knots. It is not exaggerating to say he beat him twice an over for his opening spell.

Good in the slips as well.

But his batting concerns me. I thought he was going to be the real deal when scoring 90 odd vs Sussex when we had been 40 for 5. That was two seasons ago and last season he did well but this season he hasn't. Without stokes I worry a bit but a tail of
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Would still be good.
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Old 11th October 2017, 17:21   #547
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Not really. I like him going round the wicket. He pitches middle and off and attempts to hit top of off. In our match at Surrey he had Stoneman in knots. It is not exaggerating to say he beat him twice an over for his opening spell.

Good in the slips as well.

But his batting concerns me. I thought he was going to be the real deal when scoring 90 odd vs Sussex when we had been 40 for 5. That was two seasons ago and last season he did well but this season he hasn't. Without stokes I worry a bit but a tail of
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7. Moeen
8. Woakes
9. Craig
10. Broad
11. Jimmy

Would still be good.
Must admit I was concerned about that montage of wickets how few were left-handers. There were only about 7 in there and that included a hapless tailender and bouncing someone out, which as you say isn't going to happen at test level.

As an England fan I'm not sure I take much comfort about Stoneman being tied in knots...

ps Do you think England will bat him above someone with a test 150 to their name?
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Must admit I was concerned about that montage of wickets how few were left-handers. There were only about 7 in there and that included a hapless tailender and bouncing someone out, which as you say isn't going to happen at test level.

As an England fan I'm not sure I take much comfort about Stoneman being tied in knots...

ps Do you think England will bat him above someone with a test 150 to their name?
I don't suppose he bowled at many left handers because bess got rid of them all so quickly.

More seriously - not something I had really thought about.
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Old 11th October 2017, 17:48   #549
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Phooey. It doesn't count unless he actually is a batsman.
Well in FC cricket he's about as much of a batsman as he is a bowler...
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I know it's usually been the surfaces that have done for England but the Gabba and the WACA have nigh on meant certain victories for the Aussies v England. Who was the last overseas team to win at the 'Gabba?

Pretty much all the Aussie grounds have been substantially rebuilt since I first went there in 98/99 and the lack of grass banks left are a bit upsetting to be honest. In 98/99 I did the east coast tests (Brisbane/Melbourne/Sydney) in 2010/11 I did Adelaide and Perth and was on the grass banks both times. Adelaide is now a corporate bowl and I suspect this new Burswood ground will be no different.
I really like the Adelaide Oval, they've mixed making huge stands with making them look reasonably individual, not like most of the corporate bowls out there, which the new Perth one looks like being. The SCG looks horrid now.
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Like Mason Crane you mean?
Crane was dropped from the T20 side after playing well.

Selected to carry the drinks for the test team until it’s dead rubber time.
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Crane was dropped from the T20 side after playing well.

Selected to carry the drinks for the test team until it’s dead rubber time.
Crane was dropped after taking 1/38 In 4 overs. He showed some signs of promise but it wasn't playing well despite some of the hype.
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Steve Waugh insists England won't win in Australia without Stokes. He played 4 out of the 5 Tests in Australia last time and we lost 5-0. That was early in his career though. Even with Stokes we still lost a lot of games. Really need Cook and Root to get the bulk of the runs but Cummins promises alot of bouncers.

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He should work on his fitness not his mouth.
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Old 13th October 2017, 15:20   #555
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Apparently it's 'not serious'.

I imagine he'll be fine; they probably don't want to risk him on a few T20s with the real game coming up shortly
About sums it up. Couldn't really say...Steve Smith not terribly interested in t20's with the Ashes not far away, so cricket Aus let him return home with a "shoulder injury".
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I had kind of hoped the police would have announced by now they weren't pressing charges against Stokes. The prospect of a series without him is significantly less appealing. Given that he hasn't been charged and that he is innocent until proven guilty I would suggest to Andrew Strauss that he should be reinstated forthwith.
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I had kind of hoped the police would have announced by now they weren't pressing charges against Stokes. The prospect of a series without him is significantly less appealing. Given that he hasn't been charged and that he is innocent until proven guilty I would suggest to Andrew Strauss that he should be reinstated forthwith.
Won't he have to face a ECB disciplinary commission, no matter whose fault it was. Seen to be carrying on a fight when not attacked.
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The ECB will have been advised, on the grounds of protecting their reputation, not to reinstate Stokes until the police matter has been dealt with and perhaps not at all if prosecuted and found guilty.

Of course, everyone is deemed to be innocent until found guilty. However, not everyone has had such damning video evidence of the actions for which they are being investigated seen by millions.
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Won't he have to face a ECB disciplinary commission, no matter whose fault it was. Seen to be carrying on a fight when not attacked.
First a disclosure; I did not view the Sun video of the incident, but wasn't the “victim” who got beaten up brandishing a weapon - a bottle as reported?

Thus Stokes was not being attacked because he preempted the attack, albeit arguably with excessive force?
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First a disclosure; I did not view the Sun video of the incident, but wasn't the “victim” who got beaten up brandishing a weapon - a bottle as reported?
That's correct.
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