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Old 20th August 2015, 20:15   #181
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Sounds ******** to me. They've put the T20 in the wrong place and the Fifty over games should be spread out a little bit more. That's it.
Preferably between October and March...
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Old 20th August 2015, 20:57   #182
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I wonder if Harrison was being honest when he said he didn't want a franchise system? Everything else he said seemed to pint towards it. If each County is going to play 14 championship games this will most likely be two divisions of eight, so what is happening to two teams? More questions than answers from the interview.

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Old 20th August 2015, 21:25   #183
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We don't need less championship games, a warped sense of priorities.
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Old 21st August 2015, 07:35   #184
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The ECB must think that because the CC is poorly attended that there is no interest for it. Most people are at work and follow it on the internet.

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Old 21st August 2015, 09:31   #185
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It feels like they will push through any changes regardless of what the true cricket community wants, why? so they can mess about with the 20/20 format to get more money, why do they want more money, how much have they in the bank, if they're running short start culling some of the people on the ECB pay roll, lots of scope for savings there.
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Old 21st August 2015, 10:16   #186
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It feels like they will push through any changes regardless of what the true cricket community wants, why? so they can mess about with the 20/20 format to get more money, why do they want more money, how much have they in the bank, if they're running short start culling some of the people on the ECB pay roll, lots of scope for savings there.
I have not seen anybody actually put forward a convincing business model for franchise cricket.
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Old 21st August 2015, 17:04   #187
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I have not seen anybody actually put forward a convincing business model for franchise cricket.
I don't think they are really going to try to convince anyone that the model they adopt will make business sense to anyone except Sky, who are, after all well on the way to being in effective control of the game in this country. Call me cynical if you like but I suspect the true purpose of the trip round the country was to assess how much Sky has to pay to counties in order bribe them (with one- off payments) into complying with whatever model that will provide that company with maximum summer advertising revenue. Hence the decision not to consult the members.
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Old 24th August 2015, 15:47   #188
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I don't think they are really going to try to convince anyone that the model they adopt will make business sense to anyone except Sky, who are, after all well on the way to being in effective control of the game in this country. Call me cynical if you like but I suspect the true purpose of the trip round the country was to assess how much Sky has to pay to counties in order bribe them (with one- off payments) into complying with whatever model that will provide that company with maximum summer advertising revenue. Hence the decision not to consult the members.
Sky arent running the game as their losing the rights to Australien cricket including the next ashes series shows. I will never understand the widespread hostility towards pay TV. I love the concept. long may it grow. And i think it will. Those who watch on TV are not contributing. Why should they not pay? Those who go to games are contributing to it. They are the ones to care about
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Old 24th August 2015, 15:52   #189
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It feels like they will push through any changes regardless of what the true cricket community wants, why? so they can mess about with the 20/20 format to get more money, why do they want more money, how much have they in the bank, if they're running short start culling some of the people on the ECB pay roll, lots of scope for savings there.
Money matters. Grass roots cricket alone gets 30% of broadcast income. Thats some 25 million every year. That may very well increase to perhaps 50 million with the nextdeal.every year. County cricket get something similar.
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Old 24th August 2015, 15:59   #190
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Er, Clarke hasn't gone.
Well mostly gone. He is not supposed to have much influence on english cricket anymore and some of his policies are likely to change such as his attitude to Olympic inclusion

I seriously dislike him for several reasons , i am just also sceptical about this who!e protest thing. Do they know what they want
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Old 24th August 2015, 18:57   #191
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Sky arent running the game as their losing the rights to Australien cricket including the next ashes series shows. I will never understand the widespread hostility towards pay TV. I love the concept. long may it grow. And i think it will. Those who watch on TV are not contributing. Why should they not pay? Those who go to games are contributing to it. They are the ones to care about
We sure are. Unfortunately, football on Pay TV hasn't proved to be particularly caring towards those who attend, so we have to be concerned as to the effects that Pay TV's increasing influence has on cricket watchers.

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Old 24th August 2015, 22:00   #192
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Sky arent running the game as their losing the rights to Australien cricket including the next ashes series shows. I will never understand the widespread hostility towards pay TV. I love the concept. long may it grow. And i think it will. Those who watch on TV are not contributing. Why should they not pay? Those who go to games are contributing to it. They are the ones to care about
But if I hadn't been totally hooked by watching Botham and Willis in 81 as a 10 year old on the BBC I wouldn't be posting here. And my children wouldn't be members at Trent Bridge. Most of their friends don't know what cricket is.
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Old 25th August 2015, 12:08   #193
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Sky arent running the game as their losing the rights to Australien cricket including the next ashes series shows. I will never understand the widespread hostility towards pay TV. I love the concept. long may it grow. And i think it will. Those who watch on TV are not contributing. Why should they not pay? Those who go to games are contributing to it. They are the ones to care about
Having cricket on sky isn't a problem. They give it good coverage and without it cricket wouldn't get anywhere near as much exposure. Even if BBC or ITV did show international cricket, there would be little appetite for them to show a large amount of domestic cricket.

The problem is that the broadcasters now seem to dictating to the schedule. The ECB and counties should plan the fixtures and competitions, and then Sky should decide how much of it they want to broadcast and negotiate exclusitivity rights. As it stands it seems as though the broadcasters are influencing which competitions should be played and when, which they have no right to do.

People who watch the games on TV are also contributing to it, as the viewing figures help determine how much Sky is willing to pay for rights and this money is then filtered down to grassroots cricket.
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Old 25th August 2015, 17:02   #194
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Having cricket on sky isn't a problem. They give it good coverage and without it cricket wouldn't get anywhere near as much exposure. Even if BBC or ITV did show international cricket, there would be little appetite for them to show a large amount of domestic cricket.

The problem is that the broadcasters now seem to dictating to the schedule. The ECB and counties should plan the fixtures and competitions, and then Sky should decide how much of it they want to broadcast and negotiate exclusitivity rights. As it stands it seems as though the broadcasters are influencing which competitions should be played and when, which they have no right to do.

People who watch the games on TV are also contributing to it, as the viewing figures help determine how much Sky is willing to pay for rights and this money is then filtered down to grassroots cricket.
Can you give examples of where Sky is dictating schedules?
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Can you give examples of where Sky is dictating schedules?
The four RLC quarter-finals that are being played this week. There's no reason for them not to be played on the same day, other than the broadcasting potential offered by spreading them out. Similar with the T20 quarters, which were played over 4 evenings instead of one. That's seven valuable days' cricket time for just two rounds of one-day matches.

(Although, I have to declare that spreading out the knockout matches has in the past allowed me to attend more than one match in the same round!).
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The four RLC quarter-finals that are being played this week. There's no reason for them not to be played on the same day, other than the broadcasting potential offered by spreading them out. Similar with the T20 quarters, which were played over 4 evenings instead of one. That's seven valuable days' cricket time for just two rounds of one-day matches.

(Although, I have to declare that spreading out the knockout matches has in the past allowed me to attend more than one match in the same round!).
But as your last paragraph suggests, isn't that a good thing?
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Can you give examples of where Sky is dictating schedules?
The Hampshire vs Worcester T20 QF which was played at night after the Women's Ashes.
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But as your last paragraph suggests, isn't that a good thing?
Sure...for me and the other three people in the country who might conceivably attend a neutral one-day county match !
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Sure...for me and the other three people in the country who might conceivably attend a neutral one-day county match !
I was thinking of more people being able to watch on tv really!
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I was thinking of more people being able to watch on tv really!
Sorry....I was probably still thinking about ThomasTT's comments supporting Pay TV but also stating that those who attend are the ones to care about. Because I'm not sure it's possible to achieve both.

Not that I'm joining any Bash Sky Brigade - I have it myself and take thorough advantage of its sporting output. It's entirely realistic for a broadcaster, underwriting a sizeable contract, to seek to mould scheduling to best suit its needs. But we (or rather the governing body offering the contract) have to be aware of the ramifications.

Anyway, the spreading out of the QFs hasn't worked for me this time around as both Kent and Essex are playing on the same evening . Mind you...rain at the right time and place.....
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